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Author Topic: Timing chain noise?  (Read 17460 times)

the_admiral

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Re: Timing chain noise?
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2009, 04:06:26 PM »
Amplifier,i have just fitted a new timing chain today because i had the exact same symptons as you,it would sound great until it warmed up and then it would sound as though there was marbles rattling around.now it is quiet all the time and i dont see double timing marks with the strobe light.dont do what i did and drop the chain link in the sump,DOH.two hours wasted.Go for it bud
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Offline Justin B.

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Re: Timing chain noise?
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2009, 01:06:15 AM »
Stuff rags/paper towels/old sox/holey drawers, etc., into all of the openings in the block to prevent the wayward link from finding the sump!
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weasel01

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Re: Timing chain noise?
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2009, 07:50:55 AM »
Justin, excellent tip!
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Re: Timing chain noise?
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2009, 08:06:09 AM »
I found a tool on a website that Rob Valdez has recommended for ignition parts .

Chain puller tool that holds the ends of a drive chain, to aid in getting the master link installed .

Looks like it is for drive chains, but may also work on cam chains .

http://www.mikesxs.net/

It's under the tools section, part number : 35-0130 .

For $10US, not overly expensive, and could be one of the best $10 you have spent, if it makes the job easier .
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Re: Timing chain noise?
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2009, 10:37:42 AM »
Interesting tool:



I used to wish I had something like that for my Triumph until I noticed that if I put one end of the chain in the rear sprocket hook and pull the other end up to it's hook I can rotate the rear wheel and the sprocket will pull the lower chain end up into place, making it easy to insert the master clip.  I don't know if there's room behind the sprockets to do that on the BMW timing chain, though.

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Re: Timing chain noise?
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2009, 11:36:46 AM »
My 1983 R65 making sounds having symptoms etc. similar to those described in above.  Does engine have to be removed from frame to replace timing chain and tensioner?
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Re: Timing chain noise?
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2009, 11:44:00 AM »
Engine can remain in but exhaust has to come off.

Ed, that's the way I used to do the chain on my Honda CB450.

Bob, if you look at my pic you'll see a "backwards installed" master link.  I take the old link and put it in from the front to keep the chain together then I install the new link from behind (with a piece of welding rod superglued to it for a handle) which pushes out the one previously installed at the same time.  For me this eliminates the fumbling and turns it into a couple minute job.  You'll also see the little retainer installed over the tensioner shoe to keep pressure off spring.
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billygoat

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Re: Timing chain noise?
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2009, 12:29:25 PM »
 You need to heat the sprocket to remove it, apply the removal tool and torq it then heat the sprocket and it will pop off.

 That sound could be a loose rotor, can check your charge sys to determine if it is.
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Re: Timing chain noise?
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2009, 02:48:02 PM »
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...You'll also see the little retainer installed over the tensioner shoe to keep pressure off spring.

Classy! My retainer for the tensioner plunger was a cheap pipe cleaner. ::)   Monte
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weasel01

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Re: Timing chain noise?
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2009, 09:02:46 PM »
Howdy all ,I'm back from a fun filled week of "work" in Nashville got back and found my timing chain kit from motobins 6 work days from order date...very cool.

I went for a nice ride after work today parked her in the garage and have started the disassembly process.
I've drawn the layout marked my wires and started removing things.

Here is where I'm hung up....the stator is frozen in the  cover?


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Re: Timing chain noise?
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2009, 09:35:57 PM »
You probably just need to tap on the stator with a soft faced hammer, to break its grip on the case, if the engine is still warm or hot, this may be adding to the problem .
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weasel01

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Re: Timing chain noise?
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2009, 10:06:54 PM »
Ok a couple taps and right off it came.
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weasel01

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Re: Timing chain noise?
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2009, 10:11:55 PM »
It just occured to me....I dont have the tool to take off the exhaust?

Is there a common tool that will work or am I ordering ....another ....specialty tool?
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Re: Timing chain noise?
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2009, 10:32:33 PM »
Looks like you're going to need the exhaust nut wrench, most likely scenario, is to break off the fins on the nut if you don't use the correct tool .

Even with the tool, if the nuts have never been off before and had anti-seize applied to the threads, they may have to be cut off .

A common occurrence is that the nut loosens up, then tightens up again, if you continue trying to remove the nut at that point, good chance the threads on the head 'spigot' will be removed .

You will then be sending the heads or head out for repair .
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Re: Timing chain noise?
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2009, 06:59:20 AM »
If you have never had the exhaust nuts off whilst the bike is in your care, cut them off.  It is far cheaper that an exhaust thread repair.  When you put the new ones on, use a bit of copper ease.  ready for next time.  And then you should never need to cut them off again.

Another order from Motobins I am afraid.

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