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Author Topic: Rocker box nut rant!  (Read 1795 times)

thrang

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Rocker box nut rant!
« on: May 12, 2015, 10:44:08 AM »
Lost another bloody rocker box stud and nut. Heilcoiled the head during last winters rebuild, locktighted the stud in place, and tightened the nut to the correct torque but during the Welsh last weekend, the bloody thing flew out again. Motobins must have had a small fortune in nuts and studs out of me over the years!

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Offline Ed Miller

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Re: Rocker box nut rant!
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2015, 01:23:52 PM »
Is that the center stud you're losing?  I've never even used a torque wrench on mine.

« Last Edit: May 12, 2015, 01:24:49 PM by Ed_Miller »
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thrang

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Re: Rocker box nut rant!
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2015, 04:23:32 PM »
Yeah, the big shiny one in the middle... In the past I just tightened it up, but this time I thought do it by the book, and what happens after about 1500 miles a big empty space where the nut and stud should be.

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Re: Rocker box nut rant!
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2015, 04:45:45 PM »
Isn't the problem that the stud is a little too short and so doesn't engage all of the threads in the head.  I screwed mine further into the head leaving fewer threads to engage on the nut but being steel on steel that end of the stud copes ok.  And they should be little more than finger tight so I use a socket on the end of a screw driver type wrench to limit the torque that can be applied. The spec is 10 ftlbs but that is grossly too much and I probably use no more than half of that maybe even less although I don't possess a torque wrench that goes that low anyway. They never seem to fall out or cause leaks however lightly tightened they are.

When I first got my bike the lightness to which those nuts had been tightened was a tall tale sign that the previous owner knew what he was doing.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2015, 04:54:42 PM by bhodgson »
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Re: Rocker box nut rant!
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2015, 07:01:37 PM »
I've lost one over the years - they aren't necessary from an oil-tightness perspective.  But I agree that it is aggravating to discover that one has fallen off along the way.   Do you use a wavy washer under yours?
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Re: Rocker box nut rant!
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2015, 10:06:18 PM »
This is a new one on me. I have never lost one at all. I have lost a few 10mm nuts and washers trying to refit the little buggers (but I have a terrific trick now). But never lost the central stud or nut.


Time to segue into my own rant (my apologies for hi-jacking yours) regarding those pesky little blasted 10mm nuts that hold the rocker covers fore and aft.

Tip No.1, do not replace them with stainless steel nuts because magnetic pickup tools may not work on stainless steel.

Tip No.2, throw the equally pesky washers away as all they do (at least in my case) is cause immense frustration when they refuse to play by the rules.

Tip No.3, Buy some 10mm flanged nuts, if you cannot get the type that do not have the anti-rattle grooves on the flange, a few seconds work with a No.2 Bastard cut file will render them as smooth as a baby's bottom.

Tip No.3 buy some copper helicoils, drill out the nuts and run the brass helicoils in.

Tip No.4  - Replace the 6mm studs with stainless steel ones.

Tip No.4 run a thread die up and down the studs a few times, the object being to set up a slightly sloppy fit, but leave the last two or three turns alone so you still have maximum binding pressure.
 
After doing the above your new nuts will start easily on the sloppy thread, will run up using finger-tip pressure alone to the point where they need only a final nipping up to bring them to tension. They will not undo as the tension holds them nicely and best of all they will always come off easily as the thread will never corrode and or gall.


You will be an object of envy of all your friends at the next maintenance day as your little bastard 10mm nuts will take you between 50% to 25% of the time to remove and re-fit than anyone else, the sloppy thread makes the nuts so much easier to start it isn't funny. It's funny the things you think up on long rides on boring roads. Unlike some of my ideas, this one is a winner.
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thrang

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Re: Rocker box nut rant!
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2015, 09:21:32 AM »
Rant away Tony, because those 10 mil nuts have been the cause of many an expletive filled out burst.

I'll try that tip for the sloppy thread mind, and the over screwing the centre stud in place.

Though on close examination it looks like I might have f*cked up the helicoil of the head, as only half of it is left in the hole...

I guess I'll just have to do it again, ah well that's part of the fun of owning an old Beemer.