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Offline marcmax

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Turbo?
« on: April 16, 2016, 03:28:12 PM »
I just received an interesting voice message from my mentor in all things BMW, Tom High. He runs an independent BMW shop in central FL and does concourse level restorations for users around the world. He has been racing BMWs in AHMRA events for 30 plus years. He knows his stuff.

He knows I am an R65 enthusiast  and loves to joke and give me grief about getting a real BMW. Says the R65 line was an experiment and not a real BMW. Just kidding.

He said to give him a call before he closed today (missed it) or when he opens on Tues. Says he has an R65 with a turbo. Didn't say if he is working on it or trying to sell it. Either way it sounds too cool to pass up so it looks like I'll be making a trip to his shop.

Post some specifics and pics once I get them.
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Re: Turbo?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2016, 10:29:24 PM »
Used to be some pics of a BMW R65LS with a turbocharger on one of the Bike EXIF pages - but I can no longer find it.

I once got a brief ride on a Yamaha XJ650 Seca Turbo - it had some noticeable turbo lag, but when it kicked in those RPMs swept upward on the tachometer a whole lot faster!
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Re: Turbo?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2016, 10:41:35 PM »
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it had some noticeable turbo lag

My only Turbo ride was on a Honda CX650.  I liked the feel of the power coming on as the turbo spooled up. I liked it so much I was going to buy one. Then I found out about an issue with their alternators and the thing was buried in the center of the engine. You literally had to "crack it's chest" to fix it if it ever went ( as Monte says), Tango Uniform
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Re: Turbo?
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2016, 01:07:29 AM »
I am somewhat glad that the whole turbo era has come and gone.

To quote a famous American "There ain't no substitute for cubes baby."


I had the luck to ride all of the factory turbo offerings in the 80s and to have a long term loan of a GPZ750.

in the main the Japanese applied turbo chargers to middleweight bikes and gave them such mild boost that they did not reach the performance of the bikes int he next capacity class. Yamaha and Suzuki should particularly hang their heads in shame for introducing all the complexity and cost of a turbo and really giving nothing back to the owner. Any decent normally aspirated 750 would absolutely snot the Yamaha and Suzuki turbo offerings - including I must add, their own offerings.

Honda at least had the decency to give the CX500T roughly the performance of a 750, albeit with complex electronics and massive lag.


Then came Kawasaki's offering. The 750 Turbo had pretty much the same performance as the 1100, had minimal lag and cleverly kept electronics to a minimum. The long term loaner i had the use of had been a Distributor's loan bike that was farmed out at press gatherings, sent to dealerships as a demonstrator and used as a test mule to sort some of the (relatively minor) problems the breed had when they first came to Australia.

In short it had been given an absolute and prolonged flogging. It was offered to me at a substantial discount but I declined in fear of what it might cost me down the track. another of my truly inspired decisions as the person who did buy it still has it, the blasted thing has been totally reliable and only in the past year or so has it cost him a top end refresh and a new bearing/seal in the turbo. The turbo seal/bearing was an eye-watering $550 installed, but then the OEM one copped a flogging and still lasted well over 100,000km and 30 years.

So, where does all this lead - the boxer is a difficult engine to turbo charge - just ask Porsche and Subaru - the inlets and exhausts are a long way from each other and require some very clever component locating and pipe bending to make it all happen. Unless you are only going to run very mild boost you need to introduce a host of electronic control systems - and for the power you get form modest boost a larger bore size will get you the same (or more)power increase.

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Re: Turbo?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2016, 11:48:38 AM »
There was a turbocharged '79 R65 for sale last summer in Flagstaff, AZ, about 160 miles north of me .
From what little I can remember, I think it had a Luftmeister turbo kit on it .
Price was a bit high, $6500US, bike had less than 5000 miles, 6500 km .
I always wondered how long the engine would last with a turbo on it .
But, it was interesting !!!!!
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Re: Turbo?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2016, 12:11:29 PM »
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\ I think it had a Luftmeister turbo kit on it .


Let me take a moment to tell you what i think of Luftmeister.

I once bought some gear form them and as a result was periodically sent their magazine. The one I remember was one which on one page had a full page advertisement along the lines of "improve your power and reliability of your air-cooled BMW twin and fit Luftmeister's electronic fuel injection kit'.


Then on the very next page "Fix your unreliable injected K series BMW and fit Luftmeister's carburetor kit for K75 and K100 machines".


The only thing I ever bought form luftmeister that was any good was the investment cast top triple clamp for the r100, but then they didn't make it, Krauser did and Lufty merely resold it.
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Re: Turbo?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2016, 01:09:13 PM »
Here's a link to the company that did the work for Luftmeister turbo chargers .

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/bmwturbos.htm
« Last Edit: April 17, 2016, 01:09:30 PM by Bob_Roller »
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Re: Turbo?
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2016, 05:27:44 PM »
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Here's a link to the company that did the work for Luftmeister turbo chargers .

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/bmwturbos.htm

Thank you for that. It would seem that 30 years ago my bullshit detector was accurate.
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Re: Turbo?
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2016, 07:13:16 PM »
I met the owner of Luftmeister Matt Capri, in Sept. '91, had problems getting the correct braided stainless brake lines from him for my '81 R65 .
I flew in to LAX, was going to visit a friend that got me interested in motorcycles, decades ago .
Stopped by his business and had my old lines, made up new lines as I waited .
He gave me the impression that he was a scam / con artist, from what I've heard, when Luftmeister went out of business, he took a few other businesses with him and ruined quite a few more .
« Last Edit: April 17, 2016, 07:14:36 PM by Bob_Roller »
'81 R65
'82 R65 LS
'84 R65 LS
'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
'02 R1150R
Riding all year long since 1993 .
I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!

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Re: Turbo?
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2016, 11:39:48 PM »
Heading down in the morning to get a look at this machine. Any particular views anyone wants to see a pic of?
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Offline marcmax

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Re: Turbo?
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2016, 08:19:47 AM »
Well I had a look at it and it was interesting. Tom is selling the bike for a friend of his so if anyone is interested they can reach out to Tom High, rennsportmotorrad@cfl.rr.com, 386-734-2496. Asking price is $4000

It has not been run in a number of years but it was still neat to see how it was setup. It is the Luftmeister kit for an R65.
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Re: Turbo?
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2016, 11:10:17 AM »
Well, that fairing looks neat, except the mirrors. Those are fugly.  Did you happen to catch the manufacturer?
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Re: Turbo?
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2016, 12:37:57 PM »
I asked about the fairing because I too thought it looked neat. Tom said he thought it was from an early 80's Honda CBX.
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