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Author Topic: More possibilities for my first bike  (Read 1167 times)

oldfangled

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More possibilities for my first bike
« on: May 22, 2014, 04:51:28 PM »
Oldfangled here, frustrated as hell because my first lessons were canceled for severe weather warnings, but of course it didn't rain either night during my time slot. After his cross country ride, Mark Brown got strep throat right before the rescheduled date. So, no training thus far at all. Leaving me searching for a decent R65 to buy once i FINALLY relearn how to ride. What I have found is that these bikes are extremely hard to come by in any decent condition. I have become an expert at searching all the possible sources, most of which have outdated listings. So along the way I stumbled on other airheads with a suitable seat height, price, and weight. I was hoping you guys could weigh in on these bikes as potential bikes for a beginner. I was afraid I was wearing out my welcome but I asked Aida Chappell (MS Buck) and she said that was nonsense and the purpose of the forum. So here goes:

1981 R65 with R80 motor

http://bmwmoa.org/FleaMarket/Motorcycles/uid/585.aspx

1978 R60/7

http://bmwmoa.org/fleamarket/motorcycles/id/9729/so/1/sf/1/nof/50/p/2.aspx#!prettyPhoto[gallery3480]/0/

1979 BMW R80/7

http://bmwmoa.org/fleamarket/motorcycles/id/9528/so/1/sf/1/nof/50/p/3.aspx#!prettyPhoto[gallery3480]/1/

The main thing I need to know is if there are things about these bikes that would make them inherently unsuitable for a new rider, or why they are not as good a fit as the R65. I understand the second two are a little older but I have no problem learning how to work on them. I know I will get the info I need from you guys and if it means I just keep looking for that R65, so be it. I really appreciate everyone's time and input, even Tony ;). I'm prepared for the grenades this time.

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Re: More possibilities for my first bike
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2014, 05:27:38 PM »
This is nowhere near you, so it's probably just cruel to post it, but I think it's a great deal and if I was in the market I'd be all over it.

http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/mcy/4481496922.html

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Re: More possibilities for my first bike
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2014, 05:40:18 PM »
The '81 up-engined R65 has several points in its favor besides the $2900 price.

   Dual disc front brakes
   Windscreen
   Proper luggage and a rear rack
  
All these add value to the bike. The 800cc engine is a bit of a bonus if you plan some trips with full bags and such.

I wonder what happened to the original engine. Something to ask about just for your knowledge base.

Consider visiting a local BMW dealer and locate some Airheads in your area that might go with you to examine the bike. Experienced eyes are always a good thing.

Right now, I give it two  [smiley=thumbup.gif] [smiley=thumbup.gif]



« Last Edit: May 22, 2014, 05:45:36 PM by montmil »
Monte Miller
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1978 BMW R100S
1981 BMW R65
1983 BMW R65
1995 Triumph Trophy
1986 VW Cabriolet

oldfangled

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Re: More possibilities for my first bike
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2014, 06:55:47 PM »
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This is nowhere near you, so it's probably just cruel to post it, but I think it's a great deal and if I was in the market I'd be all over it.

http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/mcy/4481496922.html

I saw that listing and have no problem shipping a bike, but it says it has 50 percent wear on the drive shaft splines. I have heard that a new drive shaft is an expensive fix. I agree, everything else looks good except the missing side covers, but at that price I wouldn't quibble over it.
Do you know what a drive shaft replacement costs?

Monte, always great to hear from you as I truly value your advice and experience. I had been shying away from that bike because of the motor swap, but you have convinced me to give it another look.

Apparently, the other two bikes have yet to receive even "Honorable Mention" ;). Anyone care to say why they don't make the cut when compared to the R65?

THANKS!!!

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Re: More possibilities for my first bike
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2014, 08:01:09 PM »

The R80 engined blue R65 you show is worth considering - it appears from the pics to be fairly clean. The right sidecover appears to be still in primer so they at least bothered to buy a replacement for the one they lost or broke.  The luggage/rack setup is OK, though I can tell you from personal experience that those krauser bags aren't as sturdy as the BMW bags on some of the other bikes in the lineup.   Be SURE to use rockstraps or other safety straps around them to keep them on the bike if you get a bike with them!  The R80 engine - if it is from 1981 or later, will have the lighter flywheel&clutch assembly of the 80s bikes and will rev up a bit faster than the 1970s era R80/7 or R60/7 will, but it still won't be as revvy as the R65 engine (but it might also be a little bit smoother).   IF they didn't change out the final drive ratio to a taller ratio rear drive, the lower redline of the R80 powerplant would lower your top speed by a few MPH, but unless you are trying to go near 100 MPH, it won't be an issue.    It could be a decent bike to investigate further, unless you want a numbers-matching bike.  I don't know about the titling process in your state, whether the mismatched serial numbers from the engine and the frame would pose an issue or not - in my state, bikes that old aren't issued titles anyway, but the police still have to run the frame's VIN through the system to verify it ins't hot.

A private bike mechanic/used BMW dealer in MA also has an R65 for sale, 48K miles, but he is asking top dollar for it (he always does, but maybe he'd come down)   His name is Duncan, and he is a fair guy, but he never gives anything away, in my experience.  His current stock of bikes (including a blue R65) is here:
http://www.duncansbeemers.com/bikes/index.php   ... but again, this is far from you.

A fellow on this forum, Will Mack had a nice, low mileage and freshly tuned up R65 for sale this fall (he lives in MA during the winter and does business with Duncan, too) and he lives up in NH near me in the summer.   I haven't seen him on the forum in a while -- I'll try to send him an email to inquire.   I would have no reservations buying his bike either.

This one in northern MA is alot more $$ than the one in Chelmsford, but it appears nice and incredibly originally.  Still, I doubt anyone will pay his $5500 asking price for it - that is waay too much despite its condition:
http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/mcy/4468979069.html

Looking down your way, I see a couple for sale on CL - did you check these out already?
This one looks pretty clean-but may/may not require some work
http://greensboro.craigslist.org/mcy/4480022788.html

This is / was an LS model bike, but apparently had the original Hans Muth fairing broken/lost/etc and someone put touring fairing on it.  Still, has nice luggage, and comes with the LS wheels (rare and lighter and slightly wider for easier tire fitment) and dual front disks.   Missing the sidecovers though ($65 each, in primer, new) and it still has the low LS bars on it so riding behind that big fairing may be tough on your wrists/back unless you have long arms (you won't have the wind on your chest to take the weight off).

The 1979 R80/7 with Wixom fairing and newer saddlebags is very classy looking.   Like the R80-engined R65 posted earlier, it will have more low end torque/grunt than the R65 engine, but it is also slower to rev (heavy flywheel and clutch) and is taller geared and a slithly taller seat (don't know how tall you are).   It looks like it was owned by someone who cared for it well, and has top-shelf new rear shocks.   But, it may still have points ignition which you may not want to have to maintain or upgrade yourself (upgrade kits are very obtainable, but if you don't have the DIY skills to DIY it, the mechanics bills start to climb).  It is a nice looking machine for a reasonable price though - but it also won't handle quite as lightly/nimbly as the smaller, stiffer frame&steering head arrangement of the R65 model.

The 1978 R60/7 is an interesting one - there weren't alot of them brought over that year, so it is a little bit rare, and they are smooth, docile machines.   But, you probably aren't interested in its collectibility, and this one has non-original paint job and some other embellishments, including the downturned handlebars that don't make it a collector bike.   Looks like stiff progressive shocks on the back too.   If you really wanted an old style cafe racer look and wanted to put some more money into it, it would be a decent project platform to work with.   The spoked wheels will be more maintenance for you too - which may or may not be something you want to deal with. Plus, it is in Tyngsboro, MA so again it is far from you.

Still, most* people selling on the MOA or IBMWR websites are honest dealers and will not knowingly unload a piece of #$%^ on you, so there is something to be said for hunting on those websites, too.
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Re: More possibilities for my first bike
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2014, 08:13:25 PM »
As to your question about the final drive splines on the Chelmsford bike - yes, at 50% wear, they really should be replaced.   The parts are available to rebuild a final drive, but it must be properly shimmed, etc when rebuilt so it is not a typical "Saturday afternoon mechanic" sort of job, so it can be costly to have a BMW mechanic do it.   If the mating splines on the rear wheel hub are very good-you might not need to replace those and you could ride that bike another 100K miles.    Otherwise, you'd have to replace the rear wheel splines too, and that is not a pleasant job --- most people would just simply buy a used rear wheel (all rear snowflakes are 18" so one from almost any model in good shape can work) and a good, used final drive and bolt those on instead of rebuilding the worn out ones.   Prices vary quite a bit, but if one were to shop around carefullyin my area you could get a nice used final drive for around $180-$250 and a rear wheel for under $200, and with a few tools and seals, you'd be in business!

Oh, and as an addendum to my previous post, another thing against the /7 bikes are the first generation ATE swinging caliper front brakes and undertank master cylinders.    The brakes (especially the single front disk equipped bikes) are better at slowing down the bike rather than actually stopping it, compared to the Brembos or later ATEs that were used on the 80's bikes (or even the 79-80 R65 models).   The undertank master cylinders use a cable and lever system to actuate the brake from the lever on the handlebar, and you basically have little-to-no feedback onmodulating the front brake pressure either - it feels fairly "wooden".   And, if you aren't very good about checking that hidden master cylinder and the condition of its brake fluid every single year - you will get corrosion, leaks, and rusted metal under the tank from leaking brake fluid.    I *MUCH* prefer the master cylinder setup near the brake lever on motorcycles, like all the R65 bikes and other more modern bikes have.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2014, 08:21:47 PM by nhmaf »
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Re: More possibilities for my first bike
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2014, 05:14:28 AM »
Mike, re: Duncan. You're right that he doesn't give anything away. I needed a small part and was going to be in his area. I stopped in, he had the part(used). I asked how much, he looked up the price on the Max fiche and that's what he quoted me ::)

Fascinating shop tho, airhead parts stacked to the rafters!

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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2014, 08:18:19 PM »
oldfangled - I just heard back from Will Mack - he did sell his R65 already- it was in excellent condition, too.   Another airhead owner bought it as he wanted to downsize, and was selling his R100 GS to his son.  
Oh well - good luck with your continued search - they are out there!
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