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Offline Air4Life

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Ye ole lid
« on: September 22, 2012, 05:34:30 PM »
All things being equal, one open face DOT helmet vs. a trillion times more costly open face DOT helmet is a) as safe b) safer c) not as attractive d) I have no idea e) please go away
« Last Edit: September 22, 2012, 05:36:18 PM by air4life »
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Re: Ye ole lid
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2012, 06:35:13 PM »
Prefer full face.
Keeping one's lower jaw intact - priceless

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Re: Ye ole lid
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2012, 07:44:04 PM »
DOT rating approval should be considered the BARE MINIMUM - check the models for SNELL or other more stringent approvals - that may tell you something.
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Re: Ye ole lid
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2012, 09:19:27 PM »
Living right on the border of a state with helmet laws and a state without (GA/FL) I can honestly say its the one you wear that makes a difference. Ever day going to work I see people on the interstate leaving GA, where I live, cross the border, pull over on the shoulder and take off their helmet and tie it to their bike. Darwin's theory in practice.
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Re: Ye ole lid
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2012, 09:47:34 PM »
I appreciate and respect all of your respect for preserving the noggin.

Lets rephrase the question.  SNELL vs. SNELL does 150 dollars more make them safer, or is it all aesthetics, features, and comfort?  How does one compare?

thanks, I'll take my question off line now.
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Re: Ye ole lid
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2012, 10:14:34 PM »
I've met more riders who say "before I bought a <expensive helmet> I could never understand why you'd pay so much more.  But now that I've been riding with me <expensive helmet> I can understand, it just fits better, feels more comfortable and is quieter"

I've heard this from multiple people, not the same brand either...

...And all their arguments are subjective.

I'll stick with the <latest snell rated cheap helmet> and never know what I'm missing :)

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Re: Ye ole lid
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2012, 10:14:48 PM »
I find that I generally have to try on helmets to determine what will be more comfortable, fit better, etc.   Different manufacturers used to use different "models" for head shape, and some helmet brands/models would fit certain head types better than others.  For example, some (especially European vendors, it seemed) tended to design mostly for the more "round"/spherical head shape (As looking straight down from above), while quite a few north american heads are more "oval" from this perspective.   I found out after some trial and error that I had a "Shoei head", and tended to stick to Shoei helmets ever since as they would fit comfortably, and snugly, as they should.   Other brands would create hotspots on my forehead or would be too loose on the sides if I got one large enough to not squeeze my forehead.   Of course, if you are talking open face helmets then that makes fitment easier as there are less constraints.   I always wear a full face helmet.    

Now, several manufacturers have admitted that people's heads do come in different basic shapes, and some are offering models in different conformations to accomodate the round.vs. oval .vs. long head shapes, and also women-specific models too.

After you have found the brand/model type that works well for you, then I'd say ordering off the internet to save some $$ is fine - but if you do it without knowing how the helmet will fit on your head, you might end up with a very ill-fitting helmet that you'll have to try to return.

If (2) different helmets have the same certification ratings, then they had to pass the same levels of testing.  Some may have passed by a wider margin, but that doesn't matter - it is only whether or not it met the minimum requirements of the test.  Several of SNELL requirements involve multiple hits to the same spot of the helmet.  Some people say this is overkill, but I personally think it is a valid requirement.   Generally, if you do any track racing you will have to use a SNELL helmet according to the regulations of the track.

Hope this helps.

Mike
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Re: Ye ole lid
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2012, 10:34:27 PM »
Very nice guys.  Thanks.  

I guess I got lucky with my HJC FF that I bought over the internet.  To bad its time to say goodbye.

Its not about saving money from internet shopping, it's that I dislike going to public places that much.  If I find one at a store I like, I'll buy.  My phobia makes the experience so difficult.

I have to find a good store nearby.  Cyclegear is not to far.  I'll see what they've got.  


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Re: Ye ole lid
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2012, 08:47:54 AM »
One of the things I want its to be able to ride without the shield on.  Now that I've put my massive windshield back on for the winter, there are speeds and wind conditions that create a buffeting that slams my visor down.  

Between the windshield and my impact prescription glasses I should be offered sufficient protection.  

I guess I can remove the shield.  But I kind of forgot if I really like it when it gets down to 40 or so for the added insulation.   I guess I'll find out before you know it.

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« Last Edit: September 23, 2012, 08:49:13 AM by air4life »
sold:
1983 33.8 E. Oil & Trans ?
Batt 10/06/2011
33.2 Head 35.5 (I0.005) ?(E0.009) 35.5
RearT 35.5 Spline 7/12 &
T.O.Bearing
C.U. Paste 5/12

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Re: Ye ole lid
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2012, 09:28:38 AM »
I once heard that if you head for the ground, a reflex may make you turn your face away. But that didn't stop me going face-first into the road when coming off a pedal cycle. My own stupid fault I was taking a tow from a motorcycle rider and he literally pulled me over the handlebar. However I was only about 15 at the time so maybe my reflexes were not developed! I still have three fake front teeth but the rest of the damage cleared up ok. I suppose it would have been more of a problem for a teenage girl.

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Re: Ye ole lid
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2012, 11:02:36 AM »
I had gone over my handlebars of my road bicycle when I was 16.  I remember being catapulted into a horizontal flying configuration with my hands stretched out.  I am not exactly sure how long I was unconscious but I do remember the emergency folks slapping my face and questioning me for coherency.  

It was a thrill for about 2 seconds of free flying consciousness, then I missed the rest.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2012, 01:26:02 PM by air4life »
sold:
1983 33.8 E. Oil & Trans ?
Batt 10/06/2011
33.2 Head 35.5 (I0.005) ?(E0.009) 35.5
RearT 35.5 Spline 7/12 &
T.O.Bearing
C.U. Paste 5/12

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Re: Ye ole lid
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2012, 11:09:36 AM »
Here is my short take on helmet and ratings.

Snell = Snell.  Price is not a factor in term of the rating.  It may be a factor in terms of other aspects, such as the degree to which the helmet may roll off in an accident.

Personally, I prefer the EU standard.  DOT is too low.  Snell is geared towards hard impacts and the shell remaining intact as a result of the impact.  The problem with Snell it that the ridgidity of the outer shell tends to transmit the impact energy through to the rider's head, increasing the potential for brain injury (concussion or worse).  The EU standard does not required such high impenetrabilty and may require the transmission of less energy through the helmet to the head. This may be accomplished by the shell absorbing and undergoing micro fracturing to dissipate the energy, or by better absorption by the inner shell.   Finding a helmet that is EU rated but not Snell rated is not easy, but they are out there if you look and research carefully.  

As for the "wind in the face" feeling -- I ride with a full face helmet.   But when it is hot, or I otherwise want the airflow, I will just pop out the faceshield, and go with a pair of glasses.  

Since you wear prescription glasses, you might want to give some thought to a good flip-face (a/k/a modular) helmet.  

I highly recommend tryng on any helmet before you buy.  They all fit differently.  You don't want it too loose, or too tight, or having any "hot spots."  Also, you want to make sure it cannot roll off your head in an impact.  You cannot find this out by ordering on line - every person is different so you cannot go by other people's evaluations.  Go to a dealer, try them on.  If they cannot or won't match on-line pricing, politely thank them and order the exact same helmet on-line.

Here is a link to a great article on helmets, and helmet ratings:

http://www.westcoastweasels.com/archives/PDF/Blowing_the_Lid_Off.pdf

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« Last Edit: September 23, 2012, 11:15:49 AM by k_enn »
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Re: Ye ole lid
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2012, 11:40:34 AM »
I have three strong memories of that crash. Getting on my elbows and watching blood and teeth dropping on the road. Seeing (in a mirror) a bit of exposed cheekbone and noticing that in-service bone is bright white, not the brown we usually think of with bones. And getting stitches, the approaching big curved needle in the doctor's hand. It was a long time ago and they didn't use a local anaesthetic then!

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Re: Ye ole lid
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2012, 01:47:17 PM »
Thanks K_enn.  I am somewhat familiar with the EU standards existence, as the online scooter crowd I would check in on was very much proponents of ATGATT and the highest possible safety standards available.  I will do some more checking.  For now my old HJC is going to be defending me.

Geesh, that kind of pain and disfigurement and you remain on two wheels.  Some might argue against your sanity, full face protection or otherwise.  I obviously wouldn't question it on those ground alone, of course.

My previous kid tale on that bicycle was actually borne of pure stupidity with many lessons intertwined.  

I had bent the drop bar <nomenclature?> (the curved part) somehow.  This was the left side (front brake).  Well, I thought my dads propane torch would easily repair that.  I've seen him bend metal before, why wouldn't it work on this.  Ha Ha.  After I created a fracture it soon became a hand accessory of sorts.  You see, the hand brake and the operating cable kept it functional.  I kept the accessory and thought it was soooo cool to ride around at a leisurely pace in the upright position with  the accessory in my hand to very carefully reduce speed.  

When I wanted to go high speed (probably 15 mph) I would rest the curved part over the top tube.  It rested there without problem while I would use the remaining handle bar to hang on in a more conventional riding manner.  

I saw the bump in the roadway and watched the accessory bounce up a over the handlebar.  With my eye I could follow its trajectory straight for the front spokes.  

I was pretty lucky in comparison to you, but then again I didn't have any motorcycle buddies to tow me.  If I did, I would have also found some way to screw up a perfectly normal bicycle.  :)

It is possible to do dumb headed things and survive, but far safer to learn from others.  Yes, less interesting, but safer.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2012, 01:53:25 PM by air4life »
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1983 33.8 E. Oil & Trans ?
Batt 10/06/2011
33.2 Head 35.5 (I0.005) ?(E0.009) 35.5
RearT 35.5 Spline 7/12 &
T.O.Bearing
C.U. Paste 5/12

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Re: Ye ole lid
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2012, 03:00:38 AM »
I've crashed more often (on the road) in an open face than full face....maybe even more times without a helmet than full face. I don't think I've ever had a helmet hit the road...at least I've never seen a mark on any of my helmets. Guess I'm just lucky....or did I make my own luck?

I wear a full face just for the versatility...I prefer an adventure helmet with a peak, but have a KBC now. In summer I often wear an MX helmet - nice and cool with good visibility...ok at 100kph, even 120kph with my feet on the pillion pegs.