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New To R65!
« on: August 06, 2010, 01:24:08 PM »
Hi All,

A not so quick intro here.

My name is Frank & I've just begun my search for a motorcycle to get me "back in the game". So far, the R65 is at the top of my list!

I began riding in the early '70s when I got a cheap Honda CB 350 twin. Remember how heavy those suckers were? Well, after awhile I got rid of it & went bike less 'till '78 when I bought a new CB750K with Windjammer & some soft bags. Hit the road & over the next few years put over 10K miles behind me. Somewhere toward the mid-'80s though, life caught up with me & the bike spent most of the time in the garage. Round about the turn of the century I sold it to a friend who got it roadworthy again & road it for a few years before it burned up in a freak barn fire! He was in tears when he told me what happened.

While I always thought I'd get another, I decided a few years ago that I really was never gonna get one of those "big" road bikes I had coveted for so many years. Well, a few weeks ago I was on a trip out west & had a revelation! Between all the smaller, really cool bikes on the streets in San Fransisco & the road bikes that seemed to be everywhere on Highway 1 down the coast to Big Sur, the seed was planted.

Who needs a Harley, Gold Wing or even a R1200RT? I'm not going to do any heavy touring. I just want a bike that will do the shorter hops with maybe an overnighter or 2 thrown in for good measure. So I started looking.

I first thought I'd check out the smaller Honda 4s from the '70s. Pretty cool! But as I keep looking, I remembered an old friend of mine that now lives on the Outer Banks. He has several BMWs from that general time period including a very nice, restored R90S. Now I really am not looking for that big a bike but he had a couple of the smaller Airheads too. That got me thinking . . .

So that's what got me here. (Finally! :-) I pretty much think the R65 is exactly what I'm looking for! I've begun the process of selling off some of my "stuff" to feed the "bike fund" (gotta be deficit neutral in my household) but figure I'll be on the road by next spring. Its hard, though, looking at some of the bikes available right now, without the coin in pocket. (Like the '79 in Cincinnati!) Keeps me motivated to feed the "kitty", though!

Anyway, this looks like the right place to be for info on the R65. I don't have much to offer, yet, but I'll be soaking up as much useful knowledge as I can.

Later,

Frank W.

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Re: New To R65!
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2010, 02:08:00 PM »
Welcome Frank/fwphoto !!

The R65 is an all around good bike, easy to work on, replacement parts for the most part are still available .

I've had my '81 R65, just 5 months short of 30 years now, I'd never give it up !!!

Ask all the questions you want, a wide variety of viewpoints about the R65 on this site .

'81 R65
'82 R65 LS
'84 R65 LS
'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
'02 R1150R
Riding all year long since 1993 .
I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!

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Re: New To R65!
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2010, 02:25:21 PM »
Hi Bob,

Thanks for the welcome!

Quick question, does the '81 R65 have dual front discs? I think I read that somewhere. I'm thinking the '79 or '81 standard R65 is what I'll be looking for.

Frank W.

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Re: New To R65!
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2010, 02:36:41 PM »
The early model year '81 R65's had dual front discs, from what some of the members here have said they have later '81 model year production bikes that have only a single disc .

My '81 was manufactured in 08/80 so technically, it's 30 years old this month .
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'81 R65
'82 R65 LS
'84 R65 LS
'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
'02 R1150R
Riding all year long since 1993 .
I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!

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Re: New To R65!
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2010, 03:25:32 PM »
Welcome Frank,
You're about to make a very wise decision that you won't regret.  Affordable to buy, easy to maintain, and a blast to ride!  Bikes come up on this forum from time to time.  Save up your sheckels and when you're ready to buy don't hesitate.  Lots of good info here and for what it's worth, better to find one that's been gone thru than to find one in a barn and try to resurrect it, unless that's your goal all along.

Ask questions, we'll give you reasonably intelligent answers!  -Mike
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Re: New To R65!
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2010, 03:57:50 PM »
Yo, Frank

Welcome to the party -and that's exactly what this place is. No heat, hassle or hard asses.

For your search info, the R65s prior to the 1981 models were points ignition. 1981 and later, a sorta electronic ignition with a Hall sensor but retaining the mechanical advance weights. Also, the earlier R65s had flat-top Bing CV carbs whereas the 1980 -I think- and up have the "domed" CV Bings. Either ones are OK. The flat tops usually don't have the slide return springs but can be retro-fitted.

You'll trip across R65s with both single and dual front discs. I wouldn't let that be a deal-breaker as the single disc will whoa you up just fine. Some single disc bikes have been converted to duals. Definitely additional weight on the front end. IMO, if you ride fast enough to really warrant the extra disc, you may be happier with a different bike... I'm just saying.

I have a 1981 R65 plus an '83 65'er. Lots of fun. Shop wisely. $2500 ought to get you an R65 in primo shape. More money than that won't guarantee you a better ride, just lighter pockets.

Monte
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1978 BMW R100S
1981 BMW R65
1983 BMW R65
1995 Triumph Trophy
1986 VW Cabriolet

fwphoto

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Re: New To R65!
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2010, 05:57:51 PM »
So Happy Birthday to Bob's R65!

Does yours have a single disc or 2?

Frank W.

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Re: New To R65!
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2010, 06:03:37 PM »
Hey Mike,

Thanks for the Welcome!

I hope when I'm ready something does come up on the forum. Would rather not hassle with the 'Bay. The IBMWR Marketplace looks like a pretty good place to find one, too.

I'd rather find one ready to ride but I can handle a wrench if need be.  I'm not really looking for a project bike, though.

Take care,

Frank W.

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Re: New To R65!
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2010, 06:10:29 PM »
Hi Monte,

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Welcome to the party -and that's exactly what this place is. No heat, hassle or hard asses.

Sounds like I stumbled on my kinda place!

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I have a 1981 R65 plus an '83 65'er. Lots of fun. Shop wisely. $2500 ought to get you an R65 in primo shape. More money than that won't guarantee you a better ride, just lighter pockets.

That's what I want to hear! I can make that happen, for sure!

Thanks for the tech info. Lots of stuff to think 'till I pull the trigger.

Fun, fun, fun!

Later,

Frank W.

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Re: New To R65!
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2010, 07:33:54 PM »
great forum, great folks, great bike. Not necessarily in that order! I just did a quick craigeslook look and found a r65 in Cincinati (however it's spelled) Go for it.

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2010, 08:27:04 PM »
There are several R65s for sale around the new england area on Craigslist right now - if you dont - 't already know about it - go to searchtempest.com for an automated way to search all CL within any given radius of any chosen zip code.  

oh, and welcome aboard !!!!
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Re: New To R65!
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2010, 02:28:17 AM »
Welcome, Frank!

When I read your message, it reminded me of my own search three years ago. I had been off bikes for several decades (first by financial necessity, then for the sake of domestic tranquility, still later from loss of the memory of how much fun they can be). I started researching just after forming some opinions after taking the MSF Basic Rider Course on the provider's Honda 250 Rebels.

I had an initial preference for a used BMW due to a combined shortage of financial resources and a distaste for both H-D as a product and the local purveyor of nearly every other brand except H-D and BMW. Because I have a "low-rider" body, I needed a bike to match, so that circumstance limited my choice of beemers somewhat. Test-rode a relatively recent F650 "thumper" and didn't like its general feel. Sat on a K-75 and was distinctly uncomfortable.

Then I learned about the R65's reputation as having just about the lowest seat height of any BMW. The more I read about it, the more intrigued I became. Searched the Web and missed this site, but found enough enthusiastic opinions from others to make me very interested.

I found a 1979 Bronco Brown in somewhat rough shape (leaking seal(s) and generally grubby condition) and passed on it. (Didn't even ride it.) Then I rode and liked an overpriced '81 that was just about in turnkey condition, and I decided, WTF, I can either (1) give some extra $$ to a dealer now for a high probability of product satisfaction, or (2) continue looking and risk wasting valuable (at my age and mileage) riding experience or loss of enthusiasm. So I winced, pulled out my checkbook, and have had no regrets (except for having disappointingly few hours to ride). What made me more confident was my lucky situation of having as my longtime VW Airhead Beetle mechanic and friend the rider of an Airhead (R90/6), an Oilhead (R1100, I think), a Suzuki 650, and a Honda Helix. He rode with me to see the bike and blessed its condition before I bought it.

I've found that my R65 is a conversation starter, even at a local BMW club Tech Day dominated by newer, larger bikes. More than once a stranger has approached me on the street, admired the bike, and asked me about it. An R65 is unusual in my area, and there's something about its general look that seems to appeal to people. It's a real morale builder. Actually, I like the look of mine so much that I'm a bit reluctant to compromise it by replacing its cafe fairing, even though I'd like a slightly taller windscreen to deflect air and debris from my helmet and upper torso.

The Cincinnati R65 looks promising. I hope it checks out for you. IMHO, if it's as nice as its photo makes it look, and if its price made me only moderately uncomfortable, I'd try to convince myself that it's a good deal and go for it if possible.

Good luck! Hope to meet you on the road someday.

John
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Re: New To R65!
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2010, 09:53:45 AM »
The Cinti. bike on CL is the same one in the R65 Trading Post & the IBMWR Marketplace. The pictures are nice. I don't have the funds yet, though. I will be in Cinti, in a couple weeks & might see if Chris will show it to me anyway. I haven't been tracking sales very long so I don't know how long the good ones stay on the market, but if this one is still available (doubtful) when I'm ready I'll be all over it!

I'll add CL to the search sites, too. I didn't know about searchtempest.com so I'll have to check it out. Thanks!

Hey John,

The only other BMWs in my head right now are the R/50 & R/60 series bikes, versions 5 & up. I'd like to stay below 750cc. Of course there is the R45, but I haven't seen any of those for sale.

Like you, I'll be looking for a bike in good, ride away condition. This will probably be my "last bike" so I'll be willing to pay a *little* more for the right one. I look at some of the ads & wonder why some folks want so much for their bikes in this economy, though. I want a rider, not a collector, so that's probably the difference.

Location will probably make a difference, too. I'm a teacher so next summer I'll be a little free-er to travel to pick one up. Doubt if I'll get one from, say, Calif., though. I've been known to travel, though, to get exactly what I'm looking for. Drove to Wash. DC from northern Ohio for a pair of vintage speakers once!

Frank W.

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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2010, 11:24:27 PM »
Good thinking, Frank! It's good that you not only have a fairly firm idea of what you want, but you also are flexible enough to consider other options. Having had a chance to ride only one Airhead (the one I now own), .I'm hardly an authority on comparing your possibilities. But I have read and absorbed a lot of opinions, and I even remember a few of them. ;D Besides, a number of our members own more than one Airhead model, so I have no doubt that any misstatement I make will prompt someone to correct me (gently, I hope).

First, I'd like to add one thing to Monte's list of changes that occurred with the 1981 model: a combustion-chamber coating called Nik-a-Sil, but I'm certain of neither the name nor its spelling. Some experts believe that the coating solved a serious problem & thus is important. I wasn't around then, so I don't know.

One reason you haven't seen an R45 for sale is that, while they are fairly common in other countries, they are pretty rare in the USA. I don't think BMW Motorrad ever imported the R45 officially into the US. The few that we see here (and I haven't seen one) probably were brought in by returning riders residing (or vacationing) overseas. The R45 is a 450 cc. mounted on the same frame as the R65. I have read that the reason is that the German government has (had?) graduated displacement limits on bikes that new and inexperienced riders may ride. Learners and brand-newbies are limited to 450 cc.; slightly more experienced riders may move up to 650 cc. (There are power limits also for each level, but I can't remember them.) The result: an R45 is essentially an R65 with almost 30% less displacement and commensurately less horsepower. One of the reasons non-owners knock the R65 is its relatively low power and lack of top end. So, unless there is a super deal on an R45, an R65 in comparable condition should trump it.

Why did BMW introduce an "inexperienced-rider" BMW into the USA? The story goes that BMW wanted to introduce an "entry-level" or "starter" bike to attract American riders who could not afford other new BMW models. Once that decision was made, BMW apparently chose to import only the larger R65.

I understand your reluctance to go above 750 cc., for that was my limit for weight and size. Nonetheless, one peculiarity of BMW's model lineup in the 70s and early 80s might merit your consideration. Some of the earlier R80s, called "short-wheelbase (SWB) R80s have 800-cc. boxer engines mounted on what is essentially an R65 frame. Result: significant increases in power, speed and Insterstate-riding stability with no increase in size, little increase in weight, and little or no change to an R65's great handling. So, if an SWB R80 in good condition appears at a good price, don't summarily exclude it from consideration.

The question of /5 and /6 series becomes more complicated. I understand that the /5s (whether R50, R60 or R75) have a front suspension called an Earles Fork. There was a recent discussion of the Earles Fork on either this forum or the BMWMOA Forum (go to Airheads). A big advantage of the R65 is its very sturdy triple clamp connecting the forks to the head assembly, correcting a chronic fork-misalignment tendency of /5s. I recommend that you try to find and study the discussion if you're seriously considering a /5. (The other consideration regarding the /5 is market price; though not as high as the /2s, the price of /5s is increasing, seemingly at an accelerating rate. (I can't remember whether the /6 line changed the fork assembly.  :-[ )

To complicate the analysis further, the R65 changed several times during its long production run. Other owners might classify more R65 versions, but I prefer three big classifications: (1) the small frame, dual-shock R65 (1979-1984); (2) the R65LS, which has its own fanatical following; and (3) the larger frame, single-shock (monoshock) from 1985-87. There's a recent critical analysis of the dual shock/monoshock handling characteristics on this forum, also. Monoshock R65s are relatively rare in the USA (fewer were imported), but you would be well-served to know what you would be buying, should one be available. Additionally, there were the smaller, but still significant, changes over the years. Example: a redesign of the R65's center stand in 1983, making the stand both easier to use and less treacherous when it is used.

In addition to this site's Trading Post, there's the BMWMOA web site's "Flea Market," which currently has 42 Airheads for sale. Guests may see the items available, but only members may access the details of a given bike. Suggestion: if you know a MOA member, get assistance in looking for a bike, then join MOA if a really nice bike hits the Flea Market. Also, local BMW clubs' sites (e.g., bmwbmw.org in the DC/VA/MD area) have trading posts that occasionally have good bikes.

Bottom line: you have a lot to think about, but it's fun, and there's a lot of advice and assistance available. Ask if you need help.

JT

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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2010, 12:57:28 AM »
Ciao Frank and welcome on board!

I got mine in the LS trim bout 4 years ago in what appeared VGC with 25K on the clock for $2900 and despite all I still love it!

I'm trying to give you some heads up as to what you might or might not experience during your R65 experience, some owners are always luckier than others (not me), but overall you are loking at a 30 year old bike with both its pros and cons.

From my experience so far, after having aquired the bike I ended up putting in from 4 to 6 grants (excluding my own hours) in labor and parts.

Try to get one with service records, or else be prepared to go from front  to end and top to bottom.

Here's a short sumary of what to look for:

Stock shocks /front springs SUCK, you'll have to change them all (about $500 /650 in parts)

Gear box can leave you stranded if the spring pawl on the shift pedal breaks (common up until 1985 when it was redesigned), it happened to me-between 600 to 700$ to have it updated to later style (no more spring breaking) and some of the main bearings replaced.

Look at those beautiful exhaust nuts securing the exhaust headers to the heads!
Those buggers will very easily weld to the head threads if not properly lubed, only solution is to cut them off for $50 a pair.

Hall sensor in bean can of 81 on models will die on you at any time leaving you stranded, Solution buy a used spare bean can
(about $100) when this happens while you fix yours.

Check valve gaps every 5k or less, rebuild carbs every three years or therebout according to your mileage  and don't forget to lube those splines!

Be careful not to strip any threads on engine and/or transmission parts, very easily accomplished by the novice.

Look at the state of the disk rotors, after about 50/60k they will need to be replaced, $250 each-Here I see the advantage of having a single disk machine.

Other than that is just normal maintenance, 3/4 of it can be done in your garage, the rest will have to see a GOOD AIRHEAD MECHANIC.

Last but not least, You might experience a valve recession depending on how the machine was used and /or deterioration of valve guides and seats. I had an intake valve being sucked in, got it just in time before any major break down.
Total cost of rebuilding heads with new valves and what not + one exhaust port thread repair =$600 as of last week.

Hopefully this will give you an idea what to look for, and expect down the road as we all been through it!

Speriamo di non averti spaventato.

Ciao,
Domenico

San Jose, CA





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