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Author Topic: Rear Drive for Britta :-(  (Read 2390 times)

SCJJR65

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Rear Drive for Britta :-(
« on: January 18, 2008, 04:32:33 PM »
Bad news today.... While getting my rear brake shoes inspected and adjusted, I found out that the splines on my rear drive unit are almost completely gone.  Bummer....  :(

My mechanic said I probably don't have more than another 1000 miles before the unit fails.  So I now need to find a replacement.

Any ideas? I'm not sure where to start.   :-/  I know I can't afford a new unit.  My dealer said a new one goes for about $500!  Yikes!!  :o

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Re: Rear Drive for Britta :-(
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2008, 05:46:56 PM »
Two places I know where you can send your final drive for repair of the splines. Ted Porter or Bob's BMW. I have not used them. I had my splines repaired over 20 years ago and the are still good.

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Re: Rear Drive for Britta :-(
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2008, 06:24:30 PM »
John, not to panic, R65 rear drives pop up all the time on Ebay, and probably ibmwr.org and bmwmoa too.
In fact, here's one that Larry in Austin has listed now, with the 32/9 ratio that was standard on the '84 models. He's re-listed this one since last week, and there's not a huge demand so they usually go pretty cheap. Larry's also as knowledgeable and honest as the day is long, so no issues there.

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Re: Rear Drive for Britta :-(
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2008, 07:57:52 PM »
John I am in complete agreement with Steve's recommendations - that rear drive on ebay in Texas IS the one that I was planning to buy.  The splines on it look to be in very decent shape - If I were you I'd put a bid on it right away.  You know what a new one will cost - If I were in your shoes I'd certainly consider a bid of 1/3 of that amount, and  may well be plenty to snatch it up.    There is also another R65 final drive for sale for the pre-91 bikes on ebay - don't get confused as to which one you bid on !
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Re: Rear Drive for Britta :-(
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2008, 10:37:13 PM »
If  "drive unit" means "drive shaft" - just be careful when you buy second hand - the retired mechanic who replaced my driveshaft recently, told me that there are two different driveshafts for R65's , with different part numbers - aparantly driveshafts for monoshock models are slightly longer.

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Re: Rear Drive for Britta :-(
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2008, 06:05:06 AM »
Well, this morning I sent an inquiry to the seller of the drive on eBay, and we'll see what happens.  I haven't had much luck with eBay, but I guess there's always a first time!  ;)

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Re: Rear Drive for Britta :-(
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2008, 06:49:03 PM »
I have no experience with these guys but they have a good reputation:

http://www.hansensmc.com/service/spline_repair.htm

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Re: Rear Drive for Britta :-(
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2008, 05:14:50 AM »
Quote
If  "drive unit" means "drive shaft" - just be careful when you buy second hand - the retired mechanic who replaced my driveshaft recently, told me that there are two different driveshafts for R65's , with different part numbers - aparantly driveshafts for monoshock models are slightly longer.


Quite correct, the R65 Monoshock models ('86 on) were the long wheelbase models and shared everything with the bigger brothers (except some of the engine parts), unlike the twinshock 65's. Makes it heaps easier sourcing parts for them.

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Re: Rear Drive for Britta :-(
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2008, 11:03:33 AM »
HI John,

Have you called Nathan at Boxerworks in Watkinsville GA a call and see what he says about replacement.  This way you get a new overhauled unit (with new seals).  The pride of eBay may have old dry seals and no telling what else!  

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Re: Rear Drive for Britta :-(
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2008, 05:28:51 AM »
Below is a quote from the OEM spareparts catalogue for the European r65 produced in October 1983 ~ 1984 model

 Â     FINAL DRIVE DRUM BRAKE
 Â     I=31:9=3,44

 Â     09/1980
 Â 
 Â     33111241092
 Â     $683.20

 NC Steve writes in his posting:

 Â     ...with the 32/9 ratio that was standard on the '84 models...

which is the ratio on the USA models produced in October 1983 according to the OEM catalogue.

This intrigues me, why are the ratios different?

Another question is whether the numerator and the denominator of the fraction denote the number of teeth on the two differential gears or are the numbers just the smallest possible integers constituting the correct ratio between the gears?

And lastly, what is the consequence of the higher ratio of the final drive of the USA model?

Many questions but I hope that you have an answer.

greetings from a windy, rather warm and wet north

trolle

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Re: Rear Drive for Britta :-(
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2008, 08:12:55 AM »
Hi Trolle,

I didn't know that the european bikes had different final drive ratios - are you certain that maybe there isn't a typographical error in the OEM catalogue information - it would only be a matter of one digit ?

Technically speaking, the ratio is supposed to be expressed as the number of teeth on the ring gear and the number of teeth on the driving gear , and not just the mathematically reduced ratio or simplified fraction.

If the European and USA spec-final drive ratios were indeed different during that time period, one possible explanation is that during this time, we had a national speed limit of 55 MPH, so operation at higher speeds was perhaps less common over here.  However, I think that the sport of drag-racing originated over here in the U.S, so we've always had an emphasis on acceleration capability over true top speed. Hhaving a 32/9 (3.56) rear end instead of  a 31/9 (3.44) would give slightly better acceleration from a standing start, assuming bikes/riders of equal weight and engine torque output.    Now that the national speed limit is no longer fixed, nor at 55 mph, we are consuming more gas than ever before.   I wonder if the folks in our congress have pondered the idea of re-instituting the 55 MPH speed limit to conserve fuel again ?

Note, I was not and am not a fan of a 55 MPH speed limit, but I suppose if things get as bad as they were in the 70's/early 80s with fuel costs we may see history repeat itself.  Conservation is a much easier thing to do than implementing a global hydrogen fueling infrastructure, though not as sexy...
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Re: Rear Drive for Britta :-(
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2008, 12:55:28 PM »
John,

Removing the final drive from the bike for shipping is very easy.

I had my splines rebuilt several years ago.  I boxed up the final drive and shipped it to Bob's.
That was 1998, and the cost was $333.  And I declined the shimming and adjusting that should have been done while they had it apart, but I couldn't afford it at the time.
That price included 2 seals, Bob's labor to take it apart and put back together, and the subleted labor for having the work to the ring gear done.

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Re: Rear Drive for Britta :-(
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2008, 01:36:12 PM »
Over here a spline replacement cost me about £100 last time I repaired the Bimbo's, and it was done by a bloke a Birmingham who came recomeded by a friend in the Guzzi club.
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Re: Rear Drive for Britta :-(
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2008, 07:24:32 PM »
Poor John got skunked by 6 frikkin' cents!! :o

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Re: Rear Drive for Britta :-(
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2008, 12:09:29 AM »
Yes, I noticed that too !  Looks like it was a final few minute thing, too..

so sorry for you, John !

I always make my bids for some odd value, like instead of $70 for something, I'll bid $70.95, or $72.85, or something like that.
I'll also try to watch the last few minutes of the auction if it is something I really want so I can try to counteract any snipers..


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