Side stand question

[rick79r65]

Hello to all. I've recently sold a 83 R65 LS that I owned for a long time.
I just bought a 79 R65 and notice several differences, one of which is the center stand. On this new bike it's much harder to lift the bike up on the stand. Also when up on the stand, both wheels are still contacting the ground.
On my old  LS the stand worked much easier and once up, one wheel was off the pavement.
I'd appreciate any insight into whether I can install a later stand and have better results.
Thanks

[Bob_Roller]

Yeah, two different stands, the earlier type, '79-81 were lousy hard to use, the stands changed with the '82-83 model year, much easier to use .


You can change to the later type, but you need to weld a piece of 90 degree angle steel to the frame and get a rubber bumper for it to work .

The earlier type uses rubber bumpers at the ends of the center stand tubes to contact the frame for a stop .

[Barry]

Rick,

It sounds to me like your stand is going too far over center which is not an uncommon problem. You can either replace the stand or repair by building up the tips of the stand with weld where it contacts the frame stops and grind back to fit. One of the most beneficial things I've ever done to the bike in terms of everyday convenience.  Look at the angle of a repaired stand and compare it with yours.

[Tony Smith]

Ooh Barry, that's a nice angle.

Sorry, I spent a coupl eo fhours last week reminding myself that I am VERY out of practice with a stick welder.

I set out to build up the tops of the late model stand now fitted tot eh wife's R65/80, but first I thought I'd best weld up he hole in the bottom curve of the stand.

Well, 4 minutes later and I had multiple holes to repair, so I ground it down flat and ddid the tops instead as a way of practicing striking and maintaining an arc.

After a brief sojourn, and multiple applications of the angle grinder, I returned to the bottom curve and after only 2 hours I managed to not only close the holes I made earlier, but also generally build up the area.

I think the work has passed me by as far as stick welding goes and the next cheap Mig I see on the local trading post is mine - I reckon I will do less damage with a mig.

[rick79r65]

Barry,
After seeing your photo, I believe I'm definitely over rotated.
Here's a look at my stand in action.
You might also notice my new Browns side stand. I really like the way it works.
Thanks for your help !

[Tony Smith]

That is about the most over rotated stand I have ever seen.

[ged in oz]

That must land with a real Clunk! when it goes over that far. It’s putting a lot of weight on the pivot and the stops.

It’s a good thing that you have such a nice side stand though! Does it work ok?

My bike isn’t fitted with a side stand yet and the centre stand is a real pig! Whoa boy. It’s a monster... and I’m pretty used to (Italian) centrestands.

I’m dreaming of a nice side stand so I’m curious about that one.

[ged in oz]

My ‘83 centrestand looks very different to that btw. It has an actual foot pedal to give a bit of foot pressure as you lift and it stops at about the same angle as in Barry’s photo.

[Barry]

The angle you finish up with after a repair is a compromise between ease of use and stability.  If you make it near vertical and find it too unstable then you can always grind some more off. I must have had the thing on and off half a dozen times to get it right.

Here's pic showing the tips welded up and thickened to provide a wider contact point with the frame stops.  The original stand tips are just the tube pressed flat and not even welded closed which is one reason they are prone to rapid wear. A repaired stand will be better than new and last longer.

Tony, my bottom tubes hadn't worn through but they were getting thin so as a pre-emptive measure they had long strips of stainless steel welded on to provide a tougher wear surface. You can't easily tell after some time with the angle grinder.

[Tony Smith]

I’m dreaming of a nice side stand.

Can I do a deal for you.....
A couple of years back my wife ordered an aftermarket side stand from Motobins. Motobins responded that they had no stock and would back-order.

Half a year went by and she assumed they had forgotten her and ordered again.  A month later two side stands arrived within days of each other.

And then - drum roll - they do not fit her bike. The reason is that when the R80 engine was fitted the stainless steel header pipes were reused, albeit with a new section welded in where the headers enter the exhaust ports. As the R80 engine is a little wider than the R65 engine, the headers do not run where they are supposed to and their placement precludes fitting the stand.


So....I have at least one for sale.

Current price for a Surefoot from Motobins is GBP80 (but they are out of stock again). If you are interested how does $AU120 + post sound.

[ged in oz]

Current price for a Surefoot from Motobins is GBP80 (but they are out of stock again). If you are interested how does $AU120 + post sound.

Sounds fantastic!

It also sounds much cheaper than a hernia operation. I’ve already had a hernia fixed with the stainless mesh insert everybody whinges about, but I reckon I felt the whole works move the other day trying to get it up on that bloody centre stand.

I’ll PM you later tonight.

[davidpdx]

I bought a used ride off center stand (not sure of the brand) and it was one of the upgrades to the bike I have made. Both tires stay on the ground so you can't use it for tire removal but the bike goes on and off the stand with ease. 

[rick79r65]

I just bought a replacement center stand.
I hope it solves the problem !

[Bob_Roller]

What year bike do you have ??

[rick79r65]

I have a 1979