Troubleshooting Part 2

[Tony Smith]

Justin/Tony - I had been looking into gettting the sensor and doing that myself.  A search for the HKZ 101 is now pulling up an HME 301 saying it is a replacement for the HKZ.  Do you all know if this one is a direct replacement?  Or is this the one that you're talking about Tony that could be problematic?

I think that they are all Asian made now so is it a particular one (that failed on your friend) that should be avoided?  Or are you saying that there is one that has the original part number and that is the bad one?

I saw a few of the HME 301's for around $25 ish in the US.  So far though, Jaycar is the only one I've found that uses the actual HKZ part # but I think it will be around $40 or so with shipping to the US.  I'd pay the extra if this is the only one to consider but wondering how to tell?

The parts that caused me trouble were labelled 2AV54 and even looked like the original part.

I suspect, whilst being too lazy to check, that the Siemens 301 is simply a newer part, a ten second check of the data sheet will tell you. In any event the only functional difference I have read about across a large number of potential 2AV54 replacements is whether they trigger when the vane "opens" or "closes" which makes difference to the ultimate position of the bean-can and according to one person I read, they had to very slightly elongate the timing slots in the can to accommodate that. Personally I'm doubtful .

[BPT]

So that sounds like just an outright low quality fake then?  Ok, that makes sense. I have compared yet but found a spec sheet online for the CY HME 301 and it does say it's meant to replace the Siemens vetsion. CY is for Chen Yang, Chinese obviously, but with a German address.  So I guess "designed" in Germany, built in PRC?

I also just re-read a post on ADV Rider (started by our own Mr. Giralt)  where Boxerboy said he'd been selling the 301's on ebay and hadn't had any complaints yet.  That was from 2013.  I suppose I can dig around there and see if there were any follow ups to that.

[Tony Smith]

I also just re-read a post on ADV Rider (started by our own Mr. Giralt)  where Boxerboy said he'd been selling the 301's on ebay and hadn't had any complaints yet.  That was from 2013.  I suppose I can dig around there and see if there were any follow ups to that.

Given the time the Siemens parts have been in use I think it is well established that they are reliable. My only concern was that the original 2AV54 had high temp insulation on the wiring, the Siemens parts do not - but see the first sentence.
 
The Chinese 2AV54s were simply poor quality.

[Bob_Roller]

Honeywell sold the manufacturing rights to the 2AV54, to an Asian company, when they discontinued production of the sensor .

[BPT]

So are you saying to go with the HKZ and avoid the CME replacement?
Or just stay away from any repros that are using the original part number?

[Tony Smith]

So are you saying to go with the HKZ and avoid the CME replacement?
Or just stay away from any repros that are using the original part number?

Both.

I know that the Chinese 2AV54 does not survive in the bean-can.

I also know that the HKZ part does.

[BPT]

Ok, I'll see if I can find an HKZ version close to home then.  Or suck it up and pay for shipping from down under.

Online I'm only finding the CME versions in the US.

[georgesgiralt]

The HKZ has another advantage which is not to be overlooked : the rivet are made of tubular aluminum so can be riveted easily at home.
The other sender use steel rivet and are not so easy to rivet....
As far as I know the HKZ101 is still the original one and the other are a repop from China...

[mrclubike]

The HKZ has another advantage which is not to be overlooked : the rivet are made of tubular aluminum so can be riveted easily at home.
The other sender use steel rivet and are not so easy to rivet....
As far as I know the HKZ101 is still the original one and the other are a repop from China...

The hollow rivets would be nice
I would just put small screws thru them instead of peening  it
I know the sensor I used had the solid steel rivets and it was not easy to peen over
I made a die  to support it

[mrclubike]

Here is a link to an article about installing  a second sensor in the can
http://www.geocities.ws/fwarner_au/mc_things/bmwr_ign_sensor.html

This is the one I got from this seller
It is been working fine
I think I have over 5000 miles on it

He has the other one with the hollow rivets also