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Author Topic: Choke Cable And Splitter  (Read 1402 times)

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Choke Cable And Splitter
« on: April 06, 2016, 06:59:12 PM »
I came home after a ride today and found that the choke cable had come out of the splitter (right side cable).  It's hard to tell if the problem is at the cable end since the nub is so small anyway, at least from the pictures I could find.
If it's the nub, any tricks to building that up or should I just get a new cable?
The splitter - I'm guessing that I have to take it apart at the single end in order to get the piston that holds the two cables out.  Is there any trick to this, do I have to worry about any adjustments changing, etc?
And I have seen different things about what to do with the splitter itself if you take it apart.  All say clean but some say lube, some say don't, there's a few mentions of sealing it up to keep the dirt out.  What are the opinions and tips from this forum?

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Re: Choke Cable And Splitter
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2016, 08:57:32 PM »
I find the splitters work really well - until they don't, and then it is a PITA.   I'll look for some pics I took during the refurb of my R65 - at the time, you could still buy splitters - I think you still can.  Usually the cause of failure is the cable ends rust and create friction, causing the cables to stick in position and not restore from just the force available in the carb springs.  Dirt can get in in very dusty environments, but usually the worst problem is water.   I put a bit of grease on the cable ends inside the splitter (it is a combination of unscrewing the end and relaxing the tension on the cables by unhooking them from the carb to get the things apart.  This helps prevent the rusting problem from starting.
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Re: Choke Cable And Splitter
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2016, 09:37:28 PM »
Thanks for the reply.  Yes, I have seen the splitters available.  But I am not sure if the splitter is the problem or if it's the end of the cable.  I probably didn't word my post very well but one thing I was trying to figure out was how to get the "piston" (the part the actually holds the cable ends) out of the housing.  By that I mean an easy way to do it without disassembling everything.  I just need it out far enough to see if it has worn out or if the cable end doesn't have enough on it to catch anymore.

I tried playing around with it today and no luck.  As with yesterday, I needed to be somewhere so my time was limited.  The bike started up so I gave up for the day.

I'm either not thinking correctly about how I'm unscrewing the housing or possibly I am looking at the wrong end - maybe I need to undo the cable at the handlebar switch in order to let me pull it out of the housing?  I know what you mean about disconnecting at the carb end, but it's the single cable on the other end that's keeping me from getting the piston out.  Does that make sense?  Is there an easy way to loosen the tension on that without disassembling everything?

Thanks again for the reply.  I'm almost embarrassed that something so simple has me stumped......... :-[  
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Re: Choke Cable And Splitter
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2016, 09:43:36 PM »
Oh, as far as the lube, I have seen where some people have rec. lubing the piston itself, others have said don't.  Then there were some posts I read about sealing up where the cable goes into the housing with tape, shrink wrap, etc.  Maybe you should only lube the piston if you seal as well?  Your comment about doing the ends is what I'd do for sure.  But wanted to get the opinions here about doing the housing also. The plastic parts do move around in there but I could see where grease/oil could gather dirt and get gummed up also.
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Re: Choke Cable And Splitter
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2016, 10:55:01 PM »
Yes - you'll find it much easier if you loosen the cable at the handlebar end and unhook the barrel that is crimped on the end of the cable from the handlebar it will give you some slack to work with - though you may find it is easier to also unhook the end from the carbs - it is a PITA, but you basically have the piston inside that is pulled snugly from the carbs by the springs, and held fast by the handlebar end.  Unscrewing the threaded nut on the end will give you a bit of slack, but it may not be enough to fully get everything apart.

The plastic itself doesn't need lubrication, but if there is dirt collecting in there, it will bind up the piston from sliding easily.  I clean things out in there, but just use a little grease on the cable ends and nowhere else.

These bikes had a small plastic or rubber flap that would hang down under the tank and block some of the water, etc. from getting on the splitter and other stuff under the tank.  But it isn't always effective.   You can tape up the ends (especially the front end) to help seal things, but don't use anything that will prevent you from unscrewing the nut and the front cover to get it apart.   The main thing with tubing the inside (in my opinion) is to prevent corrosion of the steel cable ends and the metal plugs crimped onto the ends of them - once that stuff starts rusting, it causes alot more friction and prevents the cable from rotating which helps it slide in the cable sheath.
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Re: Choke Cable And Splitter
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2016, 08:15:00 AM »
Ok, that's what I needed to know. I think if I could get an inch of slack I could get the piston out far enough. Once I can get access to the top of it I'll be able to figure out why my cable came loose from there.

I could have taken everything apart and done it but thought  1) there must be an easier way that I'm not seeing and 2) if I take apart too many things, I'm liable to have stuff way off adjustment-wise when its back together.  But I think the adjustment part is a simple thing to get back in order now since it's just the choke (as long as it fully opens/fully closes, and that's easy to do).  Now I'll go to the other end of the cable and see if that gives me the leeway I need to refit.  Thanks again.
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Re: Choke Cable And Splitter
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2016, 06:26:47 PM »
Where are the splitters available from? or are universal ones available. Im in OZ and they want $45 for one. Am sure there is a cheaper option

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Re: Choke Cable And Splitter
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2016, 07:20:32 PM »
I've only seen these from BMW.   I see that a distributor in the USA is advertizing them:
http://www.capitalcycle.com/Choke-Cable-Splitter_p_474.html

some people have had very poor service from this vendor though, the couple times I've bought from them, they always delivered - sometimes later / longer than I hoped, but eventually still got the parts.

These were used on many airhead models in the 80s so I am sure that they can be found used from various bike breakers' shops.  You could also advertize under "parts wanted" on the IBMWR.ORG/market website - there may be some airheads in OZ that could help you.
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Re: Choke Cable And Splitter
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2016, 09:40:11 PM »
http://www.wunderlichamerica.com/bmw/BMW-R6585-Cables.html

Here they have one they call a "top quality reproduction" for $23.95 US.  Sorry, but not sure about what to do for you locally in there in Oz with shipping and all.  Was the expensive one you found from a BMW dealer?  It looks like here at Max it is even cheaper than the repro above.

http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/fiche/DiagramsMain.aspx?vid=51897
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