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Offline BPT

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Tools & Tool Kit
« on: April 13, 2016, 03:28:20 PM »
As far as basic wrenches, hex keys, screw drivers, etc., I have that stuff.  I am wondering about the more BMW specific things that I don't have.  Specifically, I see in several official tool kits there are two "tubular box spanners".  I suppose one is for spark plugs. Could someone tell me what the others are for and the sizes?  And are they necessary "on board"?  The other obvious one that I see that I am missing is the dog-bone wrench.  Same with that - can someone tell me the size since it seems like a necessary one.  And should I monitor eBay for these things or is there another better source?  I know that tubular wrenches are around but not sure about the sizes.

If there is anything else, of course, all suggestions are welcome.  Such as anything to be absolutely sure you carry, certain sizes that you need (or would never use), etc.

I am doing the "put in your tool kit what you find you use at home" thing but, since I haven't done a ton of work yet, I'd like to make sure I at least have the necessary basics in there.  I had one thrown together for me when I bought it but I knew it wasn't complete and now I am finding that some of the things aren't correct for my bike.

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Re: Tools & Tool Kit
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2016, 03:39:35 PM »
Also, I did look at Max's BMW and they list a lot of these with sizes but there are some confusing things with their diagrams and parts list/descriptions.

For instance, they show one dog bone wrench (they call it a ring spanner) in one of the kits but then show two different ones in the list.  And with the tubular wrenches (they call a socket) they show a few different ones - one set has one, the other two or three.  They only specify that one is a spark plug socket.  Is it good for anything else?  If I have a regular socket that fits my plug, would I not need that?

Didn't want to have anyone think I didn't try at all.........
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Re: Tools & Tool Kit
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2016, 06:18:24 PM »
Asking what tools to carry on the bike is a bit like starting a which tyre/oil/brake pads/spark plus are best thread. Fun to watch but you need to apply filters to the responses.

Example sof the filters to apply are :-

* religious belief (brand X is so much better than brand Y and you are all going to hell if you don't buy brand X).

*blind prejudice (a near cousin to the above, usually couched like "brand Y spanners fit so much better than brand Z and I have never taken skin off my knuckles using them so they are the best")

*personal needs/abiltiies. I know a chap who when the gearbox failed on his ancient Norton late one night in a town far from home, he pushed it under a convienient street light and removed and stripped the gearbox to determine what was wrong. He then hid the bike behind a dumpster and hopped on a bus and travelled 500 miles to another town where he could buy the bits, he returned, arriving late at night and pushed the bike back under the street light and reassembled the gearbox. I've toured with this guy and he carries a tool roll that is 18" long and 6" in diameter. I also sert off once to cross a desert with someone else and their contribution to the communal tools was, in addition to a standard poor quality Honda toolkit with items missing, a multifit spanner bungy-corded to the front fork.

Get the picture? What tools you carry are a function of what you are competent to do, what you are prepared to do and where you are going.

My permanent "on bike" kit includes - good quality reversible blade and phillips screw drivers, ring/open ended spanners 7,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,17,19mm, a 12/13 and 17/19mm ring spanners. a good quality spark plug wrench tube spanner and dolly for it. A continuity tester, needle nosed pliers, std pliers, "C" spanners for adjusting shocks and steering head. "dog bone" ring/box spanner for steering head and  swing arm. Wheel nut spanner and slip on extension arm, set of three tyre levers, set of ball ended allen keys (the 8mm one cut so that it fits the RHS gearbox bolt on early 5 speed boxes. Sundry peience of wire in various lengths, a tube patch kit, cable ties, spare bulbs a spare set of points (for the R100 just in case the Boyer unit ever fails), an assortment of 5, 6, 8 and 10 mm nuts and washers. A tube of swarfega (a "dry" hand cleaner" , a few spare fuses, tyre valve extension because no service station has a tyre chuck that cen be put onto snow flake wheels and tubes of two pack expoxy. And that is about it.

For longer tours I add a 8,10,12,13,15,17,19mm sockets and a right angled drive and two extensions, a multimeter, a small hammer, drifts, a sharp box cutter and a roll of gasket material.


How much of it have I ever used on the road? Bugger all, but I feel ever so much happier for knowing I've got it........



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Re: Tools & Tool Kit
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2016, 06:20:36 PM »
The is a 22 mm short wrench in the OEM kit, for the axle nuts .
Don't know if you can find a short wrench, or cut one down to size .
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Re: Tools & Tool Kit
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2016, 08:00:01 PM »
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The is a 22 mm short wrench in the OEM kit, for the axle nuts .
Don't know if you can find a short wrench, or cut one down to size .

Honda made a strong 23mm one for their XR series of trail bikes, it has a slip on handle/extension.  I use one of those because a long, long time ago I left my BMW parked with the seat unlocked and some enterprising thief helped themselves to my genuine tool kit.


The honda tool was surprisingly cheap bye the way
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Re: Tools & Tool Kit
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2016, 08:59:59 PM »
Thanks Tony.  I was actually going to use that comparison - about tire and oil - as I knew there would be lots of opinions.  So that's why I did at least get specific about those few things.  I know that there are TONS of things that are more of a preference and personal choice (and I do appreciate your list).  

As I mentioned, I was especially curious about the basics.  I've heard quite a bit about how the basic kit is good for doing a lot of what you will need.  But since I didn't have the basic one to start with, and have been having trouble identifying what is supposed to be in it, I figured that might be a good, objective place to start.  That's the main thing I'm trying to figure out for now - what exactly was in it and is still considered useful.

As far as my abilities, well, my knowledge is certainly limited for now.  But I'm trying to be prepared for the learning I have ahead of me.

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Re: Tools & Tool Kit
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2016, 09:54:10 PM »
Thanks for your kind comments.

Bear in mind that my toolkit is my "on-bike" kit which means it is on the R65, the KLE or the XT (and when it gets back on the road, the R100) so there is stuff in there that isn't relevant to specific models of BMW (or indeed any BMW at all.

For what it is worth, if I were to highlight a "take-home message" it is to tailor your tool kit to what you expect to do. I expect that for some people the ideal "tool kit" is a Visa/Mastercard and the nearest motorcycle towing shop in the contacts list on their phone. Frankly that is OK.
 
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Re: Tools & Tool Kit
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2016, 03:13:15 AM »
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I expect that for some people the ideal "tool kit" is a Visa/Mastercard and the nearest motorcycle towing shop in the contacts list on their phone. Frankly that is OK.

I must admit I've got into the habit of not carrying a tool kit on local trips. For example yesterday we did 25 miles two up and to carry the tool kit is just extra weight that an R45 can do without. If I ever need to use it I might have a change of view but an airhead particularly a points airhead is a remarkably reliable machine. If you use a bike almost every day and it's proven 100% reliable for over 9 years why should it go wrong the next time out ?

Cars don't have a toolkit any more but I had a very nice tool kit supplied with my 1989 190e which was never used in the 21 years that I had it and neither was the spare wheel.  

I think I'd target a tool kit at what I might expect could go wrong. So the tools needed to remove the wheels might be top of the list so that in the event of a puncture the wheel could be carried off somewhere to get it repaired. It's hard enough to do at home so I wouldn't attempt a tyre removal at the side of the road. After that the the allen key and screw driver needed to get to the points and that's probably it.
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Re: Tools & Tool Kit
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2016, 03:32:47 AM »
Hello !
I own the original toolkit (I bought the bike new). Tools look not so good but actually are very fine.
I've  fallen in love with the little boxed spanners (they are used for the valve job and perfect for removing the special bolts on the driveshaft and holding the rear drive) so much I bought a complete set from SAM in France and use them for everything in my shop.
The original tool set is pictured onto the bike user manual which, I think, is available somewhere on this site.
There are no tire levers nor the 27mm dog wrench used to set swing arm play or remove it. BMW make a bigger dog wrench which is of no use on our R65 as it is for removing the fork big nut on bigger bikes.
The 22mm spanner is perfect to tighten the wheel nut and obtain the correct torque. But if you do not do your tire work yourself, the nut will be far beyond the reach of that tiny wrench, so you'd better remove the nut in your shop and torque it per BMW's specs...
The tubular wrenches are 20.9 mm for plugs, 22mm on the other side.
The other tubular wrench is 13 mm at one side for the valve cover nut and 19mm on the other side.
You can get, I think, quite all tools from BMW but I do not know if they are the same brand or quality they used to be. A long time ago I added to the tool kit the 27 mm dog wrench, the pressure measuring pen, and a couple of tires levers, the pump and an angled tire valve contraption which includes the valve internal removing tool.
I've only used the tool kit a couple of times on the BMW, but often to assist fellow drivers and/or friends during group rides...
One thing funny is that the toolkit is very well designed and you can dismantle about everything on the BMW without the need for extra tooling.
Hope this helps.

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Re: Tools & Tool Kit
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2016, 03:48:40 AM »
Some additional information from the BMW Classic Shop in Germany.
The item #21 is a special tool to remove the main ignition switch ring. It is very bulky and not really needed... It is not included in my tool box.Two suitable Allen wrench are enough for this job.
The two files are the picture from the fiche and the part list with prices.  E in AE column means NLA....
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Re: Tools & Tool Kit
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2016, 08:45:21 PM »
Yes, georgegiralt, extremely helpful!  These are some of the things I was trying to figure out.  I saw what I think is the above picture on Max's site.  But they also have a second kit shown.  Number 21 is one I was wondering about.  Couldn't figure out what it was for.  Thanks for solving that mystery (and also mentioning that it is necessary)!

As I wrote originally, I have plenty of wrenches, screw drivers, etc. but was wondering about some of these more specific things that BMW provided - what they were and if they were actually useful.

I'm not so confident in myself that I think that I'll be doing anything too serious roadside.  But nice to be prepared just in case.  You never know when someone else might have the knowledge I lack.  And I have the sidecar so while I'm not going to overload with tools, I have room to carry even some things I might not use often.

As you said, and I have heard repeatedly, you can do a lot with the tool kit provided, so I thought that would be a good place to start.  And I figured that there are some things in there that are better suited to our bikes than a "regular" tool, likewise some things that are better left at home (like those pliers - never heard anyone say that they are good for anything).

Thanks again for taking the time and I think that you figured out what I was trying to ask.

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