Mounting points for pannier frame

[oilyrag]

Hello...  
1980 R65 with its original panniers and pannier frame (minus the bolts and fittings). It once all fitted onto the bike, but I am struggling to refit them.
I was short of the two locking plates that the panniers locked onto, but as you can see from the photograph I have replaced them.

I have mounted the frames onto the bike as the fittings would seem to require, but the problem is when I offer the panniers up they are fouling the rear indicator. If they were further out from the bike , say an 1" or 2" then the panniers would fit fine (No. 1).

But then the mounting points at (No. 2) would need altering... now I know I can bodge a spacer up to make this all work, but am I missing something from the original BMW design, is there a fitting at (No. 2) that I am lacking that will push the frames out far enough for the panniers to fit and not rub up against the rear flashers?

Thanks for any feedback!

PS
I have decided to live with the drip from my driveshaft gaiter until later in the year, less came out than I put back in!

[Rob Valdez 79 R65]

Here is a rather poor photo of how mine is set up.

The inside most (chrome) is my Reynolds rear rack.

Then I acquired a very long bolt, and a bunch of washers (and some spacers), and did this until it looked even.

I don't know what else to do!  I have been running it that way for a very long time now.

[tagordon]

Just took a look @ my racks. I have the racks but no luggage. I was thinking that the racks only fit one way as the rear rack ( the "six pack rack" ) has no provision for adjustment.
And the six pack rack determines the width of the placement. The mounting holes have approx 1/2 slot to adjust a slight bit when mounting. I would think that the actual luggage hardware would have adapters to allow correct placement on different bikes.
From what I see of this situation. I would fabricate a plate to allow the luggage hardware to mount where required to not interfere with the lights. How does the front mount up. Does the front need repositioning as well?
Perhaps we have a fabricator amongst us that could be of assistance in this regard.

[Rob Valdez 79 R65]

Do you have photos?  Is the "6-pack" rack the black, tubular one the factory sold?



Just in case they are any use, I have added the rest of the pictures from the photo shoot a couple of years ago.

http://www.pbase.com/tomfarr/rack_mounts

[oilyrag]

Hello...
Yes I think I will have to find some tubing and washers (and a long bolt)  and push the fitting out at the rear, as per the 2nd picture. No point in having all this lovely BMW luggage if it won't go on the bike.

Thanks

[donbmw]

I have had the factory rack and bags on my 82 R65 since new. I stalled these myself. I did not have any problems with the mounting the bags on the mounts after the mounts were installed. Yes the are close to the light assy. The bags originally had the buckle locks like your picture showed but changed them out to the hook type lock that the newer style bags have. The bags on a R65 are closer to the light  than on the other models of BMW's. If you lights are hitting your bags check the mounting of the tail light assy it may move some to clear this more. In your picture it looks like the post the light mount to might be bent some.

Don

[tagordon]

This is what I refer to as my "six pack rack". I not sure if it is factory or not. But to me it looks like the part on the microfiche (sp?)

[donbmw]

This is what I refer to as my "six pack rack". I not sure if it is factory or not. But to me it looks like the part on the microfiche (sp?)

Your set is factory I have the same in chrome on mine.

Don

[Rob Valdez 79 R65]

tag and don,

I think yours are "one-piece", in that the rear rack is integral with the pannier mounts, and they all mount as a single unit.  (I could be wrong - never held one in my hands)

I believe oilyrag has two separate pieces similar to the ones that came with my Krauser bags when I bought them back in '81 or 2.

[oilyrag]

I" believe oilyrag has two separate pieces"

Yes the frame is in two pieces, but it is as good as new as it has been repainted 20 years ago, and unlike some other bits of the bike, kept in a dry damp free area. Pity all the mounting bits, including for the crash bars, have disappeared.  They must be in that tin box that has developed the trick of part existing in another dimension, but never in this one when you need it most!

I have made up some spacers, just need to locate a long enough bolt to pull it all together, and a couple of large jubilee clips to support from the frame as it will be bypassing the mount welded to the frame.

Regards

[donbmw]

My mounts are all single pieces. The rack bolt to the top of the each bag mounts on some flanges. I do have a one piece mount that came with my 75 R90/6. I would not get a one piece mount unless that was all you could get.  

Don

[Rob Valdez 79 R65]

I am going to measure that "diagonal" strut that mounts to the rear-most mount on the subframe.  I am sure it is the same as yours, tag, but I am curious.  
I don't know why any would be shorter than others.   Only the wheelbase should really vary from model to model.


oilyrag, did you ever check to see if your turnsignal post was bent, on the right-rear side?  It looks like it in the first picture.


Also, for future reference, you will want to be careful with the bags that use that 'seat belt buckle' type latch to keep the bag on the mount.  They are notorious for failing.  You can loose a bag, and not realize it until miles down the road...
A lot of seasoned riders use a strap of some sort around the bag and mount to ensure it stays on.

[oilyrag]

"A lot of seasoned riders use a strap of some sort around the bag and mount to ensure it stays on"

I was thinking that myself... the design seems to work but it doesn't seem over engineered, so I shall invest in a couple of web straps as a kind of insurance for peace of mind.

I have finished creating my rear alternative mount, and though it does not look too pretty I am sure it will more than do the job that I want. To save bandwidth on this server (thank you Mr suraklyn for all that this forum has to offer ) I have posted some more pictures on my home site:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/xxaloxx/index.html

Regards

[Rob Valdez 79 R65]

No

nononononono


Where did you get the bag mounts?

They sure look like they are made for a long wheelbase model.  I didn't see that in the first picture you showed us.

I would bet the lower-forward arm does not line up with anything in particular, either?
The one for the R65 was different in this respect from the large bikes.

The R65 has a different rear sub-frame and a shorter swingarm, etc.; so any accessories for the rear of the bike (for sure) will be R65/R45 specific, I am afraid.

I don't think that set-up looks viable.  I'm sorry.


I should add, though, your bags would fit on the R65 mounts.

[oilyrag]

"I would bet the lower-forward arm does not line up with anything in particular, either?
I don't think that set-up looks viable.  I'm sorry. "

The other mounting points (top suspension and lower frame point) fit fine, in fact I can get it to fit all around with or without the spacers and jubilee clip.
But fitting it without pushing the frame out by about 1" either side then the panniers foul the rear indicators. This way the luggage fits OK.

The pannier frame and the panniers were all on the bike back in 1980, though my brother cannot remember exactly how he had them fitted, though fit they did! We have one or two pictures of him and the bike in touring mode, but photography was a little more expensive and complicated then so no detailed close up shots of the bike and its ancillaries. (pity)

I will attach the luggage and post a few more pictures on my site (when it stops raining).

I also have a set of leather (and aluminum framed) panniers saved from my days on a 750 Bonneville that I could use as an alternative, these simply strap onto the carrier, but the Krauser luggage will hold more (I think).

Regards