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Author Topic: Final Drive Seal Replacement  (Read 1246 times)

Offline Bob_Roller

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Final Drive Seal Replacement
« on: March 10, 2014, 04:53:28 PM »
Finally got around to replacing the output seal on the final drive of the '81 R65 .

Been seeping for about 6 months now .

Interesting thing, no gasket between the cover and housing, just a very and I mean very thin coating of green sealant .

Splines on the output shaft not in the greatest shape, it's got 90,000 miles on it .

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Here's the cover, you can see the green sealant in the bolt holes .

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I didn't do anything to the cover, except clean the sealant from the bolt holes .

Now I need to get brake shoes, the oil fouled shoes, one disbonded in the hot soapy water bath they were in .

Guess it was better to find out without them being on the bike . :D

It was 95 F, 35 C in the garage this afternoon, summer is back !!!!! ;D ;D

« Last Edit: March 10, 2014, 06:47:37 PM by Bob_Roller »
'81 R65
'82 R65 LS
'84 R65 LS
'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
'02 R1150R
Riding all year long since 1993 .
I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!

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Re: Final Drive Seal Replacement
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2014, 06:25:55 PM »
I did the large output seal on the '81 R65 some time back and replaced Cardan cover paper gasket. Also added fresh o-rings on the rear brake cam shaft. That work cured all the issues with oily brake shoes and those annoying drips on the shop floor.

Yes, there's definitely some wear on those splines but until they get close to being pointy, you ought to be able to ride for thousands more miles. Honda Moly 60 is my choice for spline lube.
Monte Miller
Denton, TEXAS
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1981 BMW R65
1983 BMW R65
1995 Triumph Trophy
1986 VW Cabriolet

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Re: Final Drive Seal Replacement
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2014, 06:48:08 PM »
The seal was the original one on the bike, surprised it lasted so long .
'81 R65
'82 R65 LS
'84 R65 LS
'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
'02 R1150R
Riding all year long since 1993 .
I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!

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Re: Final Drive Seal Replacement
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2014, 07:51:25 PM »
Hi Bob - I have been thinking of replacing the seal on my 1984 R65. It looks easy enough - there aren't any surprises once the bolts are removed is there? Like its sprung loaded??  :D
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Re: Final Drive Seal Replacement
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2014, 07:54:48 PM »
No spring loaded parts !!!

What you do need, is bolts to push the cover off of the case, there are two threaded holes in the case cover, you thread the bolts into the hole and it pushes the cover off of the final drive housing .

This is one of those threads that is close to an ' American ' size thread, 10X32, not sure what the metric size would be .
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'84 R65 LS
'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
'02 R1150R
Riding all year long since 1993 .
I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!

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Re: Final Drive Seal Replacement
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2014, 01:36:34 AM »
that's great - thanks Bob  ;)
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Re: Final Drive Seal Replacement
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2014, 09:37:51 AM »
Replacing the output seal in the final drive is not a difficult chore but there are a few points to remember.

Brake shoes and springs are easily removed and replaced as a complete assembly. Removal is simply closing the shoes as you would a clam shell. They'll go back on the same way but you will need to hold your tongue just right to keep those pesky springs from falling off. Align the shoe's pivot points on the studs and "snap" 'em into position.



With the Cardan cover removed, the gear set can be pulled, if desired. Clean the cover gasket areas to perfection. No sealer is used. Watch for a couple large diameter, thin shims that are fitted to correctly position the set of the gear teeth.



Before removing the old seal, observe its position and depth of set. Try and match that on reassembly. A little oil on the seal's o.d., finger pressure getting it square to the bore and a small block of wood to gently seat the seal. Check for square with each strike.



Clean out ALL the old spline lube that's deep in the rear wheel splines. Solvents and pipe cleaners and a good amount of time will get the job done. Do not leave any old grease or grit in the dark recesses. Pipe cleaners are helpful in applying moly grease -I use Honda Moly60- onto each tooth and recess. Don't overdo it as excess grease will be squeezed out and will soon contaminate the brake shoes.



Clean and grease the splines on the final drive side. This will go faster as you've already cleaned those splines. Tempoarily refit the rear wheel and press it home to mate up with the complete spline contacts. Remove the wheel and wipe away any squeeze out.



You must protect that new seal when refitting the Cardan cover. Any nicks in the fragile seal's lip will create a leak and force a do over. Ugh. $$$.  I trim a 12-ounce US beer can that exactly fits over the splines. Sand smooth where the can has been trimmed. Refit the Cardan cover with that perfectly installed rear seal - don't forget the gasket- and torque to specification. Done.

Monte Miller
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1981 BMW R65
1983 BMW R65
1995 Triumph Trophy
1986 VW Cabriolet

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Re: Final Drive Seal Replacement
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2014, 10:16:28 AM »
Monte,
How many cans did it take to figure out how to protect that seal?  That's one job I'd be glad to help with...

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Re: Final Drive Seal Replacement
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2014, 10:23:24 AM »
OK, DiscoInferno... now you're beginning to sound like Bengt Phorqs. It did take numerous attempts to get the trim n' sand smooth step to perfection.

Remember, Lighter is faster.  [smiley=beerchug.gif]
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1981 BMW R65
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1995 Triumph Trophy
1986 VW Cabriolet

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Re: Final Drive Seal Replacement
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2014, 11:56:33 AM »
It looks like he was using some sort of breakfast beer can.

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Re: Final Drive Seal Replacement
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2014, 12:12:13 PM »
I used the bottom of a half liter water bottle to cover the splines which seemed to fit just right as well. Not as fun to empty but a little easier to trim.
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Re: Final Drive Seal Replacement
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2014, 04:32:06 PM »
Best use of water is mixing a wee bit in your whiskey to cut the trail dust.
Monte Miller
Denton, TEXAS
1978 BMW R100S
1981 BMW R65
1983 BMW R65
1995 Triumph Trophy
1986 VW Cabriolet

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Re: Final Drive Seal Replacement
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2014, 03:19:27 AM »
Thank you Montmil. That's a great set of photos and instructions. Printed out ready for the near future ........ ;)
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