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Author Topic: Speedo Questions  (Read 1390 times)

ross_g

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Speedo Questions
« on: March 14, 2013, 06:14:29 AM »
Hi Guys, So I'm trying to source a speedo for my R65, it currently doesn't have one although the speedo cable is still there. I've been doing research for about a week now and still have a bunch of questions that are stopping me progressing. I hope one or a few of you might be able to help me.

1 - Am I able to buy a generic analogue speedo that will work?
2 - Do the speedo cables differ in different makes/models, so is a yamaha  speedo compatible with a BMW?
3 - Does anyone know the speedo ratio for our bike? I can't find it in my manual.

I think thats all for now, I'm sure the answers will raise more quesitons.

Thanks for your help ahead of time :)

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Re: Speedo Questions
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2013, 06:32:04 AM »
Some of the small analogue clocks you can get are not really worth the time to fit them.  They will get you through an MOT, but will not be accurate and oten the needle will just start waving at you when you make some progress.

I would go digital - it will be cheaper in the long run.

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ross_g

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Re: Speedo Questions
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2013, 07:11:55 AM »
Cheers for the advice Rev,

I think I'm going to go for the attached, what do you think, should that be everything I need?
« Last Edit: March 14, 2013, 07:12:25 AM by ross_g »

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Re: Speedo Questions
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2013, 07:12:14 AM »
If you want to get an original equipment BMW speedometer, (or other cable driven speedometer), you need to look at the ratio which is stamped into the topside of the final drive (near where the swingarm driveshaft housing bolts on to it).  There will be numbers like "31/9" or "32/9", etc.  Assuming that you still have an 18" rear wheel fitted, that will tell you which ratio OEM speedometer you need - go to this web link, scroll down a bit to the table which shows the ratios, and match the ratio you found stamped into your final drive under the "teeth" column. follow that row across to the column marked  "speedo ratio, MPH" and that box has a number, such as "1.259" for example, which goes with the 31/9 teeth example.    The proper BMW factory speedometer ratio for you would then have a "W1259"  marked on the bottom of the face of the speedometer dial.   The number represents the number of revolutions per mile, so 1,259 revolutions of the big gear in that final drive, assuming an 18" wheel attached is 1 mile.
http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/ringgears.htm
You can get non-working BMW speedometers repaired, or ones with the incorrect ratio recalibrated to what you need, but you'll be looking at around ~$250 to do this after you have the speedometer in hand.

If you get some other brand of cable driven speedometer, you can still use the numbers above to identify how many revolutions per mile it must be calibrated for.  

Or you can go digital, using magnetic pickup on the front wheel like many folks with customized bikes do.   This is generally much cheaper/easier to do, unless you want the old school look.  A number of people here have used the Vapor model on their bikes, including Monte Miller-
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Re: Speedo Questions
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2013, 07:57:31 AM »
Acewell offers a BMW specific, electronic speedo cable that looks and installs like the OEM transmission plug-in. Rather than a mechanical cable, it utilizes small wire that's easily routed. http://www.acewell.co.uk/

Dime City sells 'em in the USA. http://www.dimecitycycles.com/


Forum member Recondotexas, my Soldier son, has the Acewell unit on his R65. I have the Vapor on my R65 and a new one on the bench for the R100S.

Besides road speed, both these electronic gauges provide a wealth of other info with only three wires, IIRC, for the hook up.
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Re: Speedo Questions
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2013, 08:12:35 AM »
Ross,

My twin brother has a Vapour fitted to his R100 GS.  And he is very local to you/me.  He is my next door neighbour!

He would be glad to show it to you, if you are unsure.

I rather like the Acewell myself, for its simple look, if I was in the market again.

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Re: Speedo Questions
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2013, 09:27:40 AM »
I took the plunge and went with the Vapor Stealth, I think it will look pretty good with all the black on my bike.

Rev thanks for the offer, I'll take a look at the instructions when it arrives to see if its something I can do on my onesies but if not then I'll take you up on that. Actually come to think of it I will need some help reworking my rear mudguard slightly if you feel up to helping a plebeian out. I need to make space for a full seat which will involve trimming and remounting the guard somehow.


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Re: Speedo Questions
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2013, 10:46:36 AM »
Pity the Acewell stuff is more than twice as expensive as the Vapour stuff.....
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Re: Speedo Questions
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2013, 10:53:24 AM »
Yeah, one of the reasons I didn't go for the acewell. This should work nicely, really I want to do what I need to get it ready for summer after that I'll have all the time in the world to figure stuff out and tinker etc.

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Re: Speedo Questions
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2013, 10:56:16 AM »
Good aproach.

Shake it down first.
Make a list of things that need to be changed.
Prioritise that list.....

..... and then get started when the weather starts to turn.

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