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Author Topic: K&N.  (Read 1826 times)

Offline Motu

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K&N.
« on: February 16, 2013, 11:33:55 PM »
Fitted a K&N filter the other day - not because I think they are a great filter, but needed a new airfilter, and there was an as new K&N cheaper than a new OE.  After a lot of gravel roads over Xmas, I was surprised at the amount of dust inside the airbox, will it be more or less with the K&N? Takes a bit of work to get a nice seal with the K&N, paying retail price for one you shouldn't have to fiddle with the fit.

I also decided to do away with the breather system and go for a road tube, and ripped all those tubes out of the intake trumpets.  I brought the breather tube straight up out of the top cover, right where the intake snorkel is.  I went for a ride with the snorkel on and off on some favourite roads and there was no difference, so off it is....maybe some more dirt will get in.

I needed one of those fancy K&N style breather filters, but I've got a shed with over 40 years of hoarding in it, and after a small search found this.



So I went for a ride today to check it out - it's going better than ever...but I always think that.  A discrete installation - and check out my new bling.



As I use 2 seats on this bike getting the road tube to run out to the rear guard is a bit tricky, so for my test ride just ran a short tube under the tank, and it works well, no oil after a spirited 300km ride.


Offline steve hawkins

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Re: K&N.
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2013, 06:48:30 AM »
I did this:

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Re: K&N.
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2013, 06:50:13 AM »
You can make out the breather 'filter' on the plate I made up to cover t'ole.
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Re: K&N.
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2013, 08:55:23 AM »
Gnarly, Motu. Gnarly.
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Re: K&N.
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2013, 09:34:41 PM »
The K&N air filters don't fit right in the front where the starter cover hits. I don't recall exactly what the problem is, but if you take a close look at the filter on the front edge, you'll see. It needs to be shaved down to fit properly - otherwise it'll let dirt in.

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Re: K&N.
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2013, 11:47:37 PM »
You need to put in a couple of grooves to match the starter cover.  It's still a bit bendy at the front, so I decided to fit some plastic wedges on the front pleat to stop that - my wedges turned out to be some red crimp connectors.  The OE filter has over 60 pleats, the K&N only 16, so a lot less media - but I feel there are too many pleats in the paper filter, it must restrict flow a fair bit.  Still, if it can feed a 1000cc, I don't think a 650 is stressing it too much.

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Re: K&N.
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2013, 09:42:26 AM »
The paper filters are more restrictive than foam because they have smaller pores.  This means that paper filters will trap smaller dirt and dust particles and allow fewer particles to get through the filter and into your engine, or your airbox.  Also, opening up the intake and exhaust on an engine generally moves the power band up.  In theory, pulling the snorkels would also move the power band up.

The paper filters on our bikes, however, are quite large in relation to the engine and can pass much more air than required under normal, or even heavy, load.  Enough so that, like you said, the liter bikes do just fine with the same filter for long periods of time.  It would take a whole lot of massaging one of our boxers before the filter was a problem

And yes, the greater number of pleats in the paper filter increase its surface area.  This means the filter can trap more dirt before it needs to replaced vs cleaning the foam.

Snowbum has a great article on K&N's, etc... including some graphs spit out by very nice testing equipment.  Granted, the tests were done on filters for Duramax Diesels, but the same principles apply.  K&N performed quite poorly in most of the tests.  They do let more air (and dirt) through and don't get water damaged... but we're not talkin' 800 horse muddin' trucks.

On a positive note, I'm diggin' the new breather... and I'm intrigued that your gal wears a bowtie
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Re: K&N.
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2013, 10:37:49 AM »
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... and I'm intrigued that your gal wears a bowtie

FoMoCo on the other side?  ;)
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Re: K&N.
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2013, 01:25:43 PM »
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On a positive note, I'm diggin' the new breather... and I'm intrigued that your gal wears a bowtie

Here's my guess:  they make plugs for the holes at the rear of the bed rails on step-side pickups of the 50s.  The size would be about right....

My '58 is a Fleetside or I would confirm.



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Re: K&N.
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2013, 02:32:09 PM »
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On a positive note, I'm diggin' the new breather... and I'm intrigued that your gal wears a bowtie

Here's my guess:  they make plugs for the holes at the rear of the bed rails on step-side pickups of the 50s.  The size would be about right....

My '58 is a Fleetside or I would confirm.

I miss the look of the old step-side trucks with their rubber hose-covered tailgate chains. A pristine R-27 would look quite natural secured onto the truck bed's oak flooring. Not that the R-27 was broke down...
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Re: K&N.
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2013, 03:13:51 PM »
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I miss the look of the old step-side trucks with their rubber hose-covered tailgate chains. A pristine R-27 would look quite natural secured onto the truck bed's oak flooring. Not that the R-27 was broke down...

You keep an R-27 in the bed so that when the truck breaks down you can go get the parts to fix it
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Re: K&N.
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2013, 11:41:39 PM »
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Here's my guess:  they make plugs for the holes at the rear of the bed rails on step-side pickups of the 50s.  The size would be about right....

When Holden put the LS1 into the Commodore, they made some special wheel centres. I keep knocking the left side one off, now I've glued it on.

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Re: K&N.
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2013, 02:22:07 PM »
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When Holden put the LS1 into the Commodore, they made some special wheel centres. I keep knocking the left side one off, now I've glued it on.

Wow.  I would have to Google "Holden," "LS1," and "Commodore" to get anything out of that.  Apparently my guess was incorrect though.

If it's glued on, how do you lube your swing arm bearings?
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Re: K&N.
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2013, 02:41:28 PM »
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When Holden put the LS1 into the Commodore, they made some special wheel centres. I keep knocking the left side one off, now I've glued it on.
Wow.  I would have to Google "Holden," "LS1," and "Commodore" to get anything out of that.  Apparently my guess was incorrect though.

If it's glued on, how do you lube your swing arm bearings?

Watch Speed Channel, Ed. The Australian V8 Super Car road races are pretty darned exciting.

Holden is known as General Motors on our side of the Equator. LS1 is a hot Chevy V8. Commodore is, I think, now being introduced into the US as the Impala SS. A great car, the Holden.
Am I correct, Motu, about the Impala addition?
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Re: K&N.
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2013, 10:57:29 PM »
Dunno, I'm as ignorant of Chevs as you are of Holdens. They did badge the 2 door Monaro as a Pontiac a few years ago, so to get some export dollars, doing a US version could be on the cards.

Lube the swingarm ?  That must be on my 5 year plan - I'll write it in today.