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Offline Bill Conquest

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points check
« on: December 01, 2012, 06:30:14 PM »
Hi - i'm trying to track down the reason that my '79 r65 bogs down when accelerating above 5 g's rpm or so..checked the valves & they're o.k. Am now trying to check the points in the beancan - really hard to see in there or get a feeler guage in.Should I remove the outrigger bearing plate? I ran the bike with the cover off & couldn't see any big spark between the points, maybe daylight makes it tough..Anyone have any words of wisdom on this? Thanks in advance,Bill p.s. also timing?
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Re: points check
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2012, 07:54:30 PM »
you checked the carbs?

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Re: points check
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2012, 03:50:04 AM »
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Am now trying to check the points in the beancan - really hard to see in there or get a feeler guage in.Should I remove the outrigger bearing plate? I ran the bike with the cover off & couldn't see any big spark between the points, maybe daylight makes it tough..Anyone have any words of wisdom on this? Thanks in advance,Bill p.s. also timing?
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It's not at all easy to check the points with the bean can in place. The way I look at it is this: If you adjust the points then you have changed the timing and are going to have to set it again anyway so what's to lose by removing the bean can and then you can adjust the points on the bench where you can see what you are doing. Even then it's not so easy with the outrigger bearing plate in place but it is doable if you have feelers that taper towards the end. If you remove the plate to set the points be aware the gap can change by a couple of thou when you put the plate back on so you have to allow for that. While the bean can's out put a drop of thin oil on the outrigger bearing bush.  The points gap is not ultra critical. I aim for 18 thou which is the middle of the 16 to 20 thou spec.

With the bean can back in place.  Setting the timing is easy with an ohm meter or buzzer connected between the points spade connector and earth. With the plugs out I turn the engine over very slowly with an Allen key in the rotor bolt and watch for the static timing S mark to line up with the notch in the timing window. The points should just be opening. Rotate the engine another 360 deg to check the other cylinder. If there is a significant difference between cylinders (unusual with a bean can unless the outrigger plate is a sloppy fit) you can sometimes correct it by re-positioning the outrigger plate.

I can set the timing extremely accurately using this static method but you should also check maximum advance at 3000 rpm + with a strobe lamp because that's what's really important. Having found from experience that on my bike the the maximum advance is always spot on with the strobe I no longer worry about it and mostly rely only on static timing.

However you do the timing avoid parallax error by sighting as low down as possible just above the carbs.  I made up a little jig with a pointer that fits into the timing hole but readily admit that it's a bit sad an excessive. I was aiming to achieve very accurate and repeatable settings when trying to eliminate pinging.  

If it's any help when judging the accuracy of the setting the distance between two adjacent teeth on the flywheel is 3.36 Deg.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2012, 04:25:47 AM by bhodgson »
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Re: points check
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2012, 02:38:06 PM »
Thanks,Barry, for the great explanation & pic..I guess i'll take the bean can off as you said. It's really hard to get a strait-on look at the timing hole on my bike as the carb & fuel line are somewhat in the way.When I checked the valves I took the carb off..I plan to get a timing light - any recommendations? And the carbs are next.
Thanks, Bill
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Re: points check
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2012, 02:55:21 PM »
Right, take off the bean can and set the points gap on the kitchen table. Ignition timing does not seem to be critical on these bikes anyway.

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Re: points check
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2012, 03:23:41 PM »
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I plan to get a timing light - any recommendations?

My Crypton timing light is older than the bike so I'm not exactly up to date on these things. It used to be that a good light had to have a xenon lamp and be powered from the battery.  There were some cheap lights that utilised the spark energy to power a neon tube but they were so dim as to be useless. I suspect no one sells that type anymore. If they do avoid them.
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Re: points check
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2012, 03:31:56 PM »
Thanks again..by the way,Barry, I really like that timing jig with the pointer on it.Thats not" over the top" at all as it's really tough to get a good view otherwise!
Bill
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Re: points check
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2012, 05:25:06 PM »
Bill,  You should plan on using an auxiliary battery power source, rather than the R65's on-board battery, during the timing light exercise. Also, the right side plug wire is the correct take-off for timing.
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Re: points check
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2012, 09:02:29 PM »
Thanks, Monte, i'll do that..looking for a light now & hopefully this weekend..
Bill
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Re: points check
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2012, 09:25:50 PM »
Hey Monte..forgot to ask.. when you say use the r. side wire for timing is that the r. side while sitting on the bike? Thanks & sorry for the possibly dumb question!
Bill
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Re: points check
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2012, 08:07:31 AM »
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Hey Monte..forgot to ask.. when you say use the r. side wire for timing is that the r. side while sitting on the bike? Thanks & sorry for the possibly dumb question!
Bill

Yep, you got it, Bill.
There are very few dumb questions, ie: Wifey to Monte: Why do you need another motorcycle? D'oh.  ;D
Monte Miller
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1986 VW Cabriolet