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Author Topic: 82 R65LS Tachometer Fluctuation  (Read 1133 times)

jgp1854

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82 R65LS Tachometer Fluctuation
« on: May 30, 2012, 01:57:28 PM »
Fellow Members my LS has 15.5k miles, the tachometer out of the clear blue sky has begun to fluctuate.  Beginning around 3k rpm it either increases very slowly and clearly to reading to low for the the actual RPM, or it jumps nearly 1K rpm going nearly to 5k rpm reading.  I reviewed threads on this forum re; tachometers and most clearly direct one to check for loose connections, broken contact points or bad wire.  My problem is what and where do I look?

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jgp

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Re: 82 R65LS Tachometer Fluctuation
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2012, 02:08:02 PM »
The electrical signal for the tachometer comes off of the ignition coil, one of the terminals will have two black wires .

In the case of your bike, with electronic ignition, one wire comes from the ignition control module, the other goes to the tachometer .

Unless the wire has been 'modified' by a previous owner(s), the wire does not go through any electrical connectors, it's one wire from the coil, up to the connector at the back of the tachometer housing .
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Re: 82 R65LS Tachometer Fluctuation
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2012, 02:39:22 PM »
Bob,

Thanks, I'll check the connection on the coil to see if there is anything amiss.

If things appear to be in order, any idea what else it could be?  Any recommendation on shop that can repair the tachometer?

thanks

Jim

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Re: 82 R65LS Tachometer Fluctuation
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2012, 02:54:23 PM »
Here's a couple of shop that repair Motometer speedometers, don't know if they repair tachometers or not .

http://motometerspeedometerrepair.com/

http://www.paspeedo.com/bmwr65.htm

http://foreignspeedoinc.com/
« Last Edit: May 30, 2012, 03:00:19 PM by Bob_Roller »
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Re: 82 R65LS Tachometer Fluctuation
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2012, 10:58:44 PM »
Do you have a multimeter?  Does this occur with the bike sitting still on its stand, or only when riding on the road?

You could also check the connector at the back of the tachometer - a wire or pin could be loose in the connector or perhaps things have become heavily oxidized in there - it is all hidden under that black plastic cover, so who knows?   I've seen something similar happen to another airhead where the problem turned out to be an intermittent ground connection to the tach - Do you notice if any of the lights in the tach face flicker when this happens?

The critical wires for the tach operation are that black wire that Bob indicates, a Green wire with a blue(?) stripe which I believe is switched +12V power, and the ground wire which I think is Brown at that connector - ground is brown most everywhere else.

I 'd inspect the connections at the back of the tachometer, and give the plug/pins a cleaning with some contact cleaner.  If you have a multimeter and know how to use it, I'd check for proper voltage on the power wire (with key switch on) and I'd also check the ground wire/pin for continuity to some ground spot on the bike frame - BUT DO THAT WITH THE KEYSWITCH "OFF".
« Last Edit: May 30, 2012, 11:06:26 PM by nhmaf »
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Re: 82 R65LS Tachometer Fluctuation
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2012, 11:53:17 PM »
Good advice nhmaf. That will likely solve the problem.

If that's not it, the gauge may need to come apart for internal cleaning.

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Re: 82 R65LS Tachometer Fluctuation
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2012, 06:53:15 AM »
NHMAF & Everyone

Thanks I checked the black wires at the coil and they look like new, removed same, and applied to electrical lube just in case.  It made no difference.  The tach on center stand at idle, idles normally.  I've pulled the black side panels on the fairing off and reached up inside the fairing and wiggled the "plug in" around, no change.

I need to proceed taking the black plastic center piece off to expose the tachometer, can anyone tell the best way to remove the piece without running the risk of damaging it?

Lastly, posted are 3 different sites to repair tachometers, has anyone used them, and can anyone make a recommendation?  Calls to two of the three range in price from $85. to $200.  The east coast locations has done them before but it is not their bread and butter.

thanks as always

JGP


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Re: 82 R65LS Tachometer Fluctuation
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2012, 10:47:25 AM »
If you rev up the engine with the bike sitting still, it still behaves normally?

If so, and it only happens when moving, then it is an intermittent connection - but it could be inside the tach or in the wiring to it.  

The black plastic covering piece can be a bit daunting to remove, but it isn't that difficult once you've done it a few times.   The only tricky bit is dealing with the little plastic tabs that clip on the front leading edges of either side, on both sides of the headlight - but 90% of the time, one or both of those are broken off over the years anyway.

My wife has my camera, so I can't take some guidance pics for you, but will try to describe:

1.  IF you have the black plastic interior fairing covers (these are black plastic-obviously) pieces that fit around the top of the fork tubes between the upper and lower triple clamps and cover the space behind the painted wedge fairing, on both sides.  There is a single screw at the outer corner of each one that screws into the painted fairing piece.  These must be removed first.   To remove, - remove the screws, and carefully work the plastic piece back toward the rear of the bike - it will flex some.  IT is curved around the upper fork tubes, so you want to gently work it back from around the tubes.    Be patient, they do come out - you might have to loosen the throttle housing/master cylinder clamping screws on the handlebar to allow for more wiggling room, especially if you have the low, Euro handlebars.
2.  Once those pieces are off (or if your bike doesn't even have them) you look for two small bolts up near the top of the space inside the fairing  on either side of the instruments - you will see that the bolt holds together a black plastic tab from the black top cover and a slotted tab from the painted fairing cover - remove (or at least loosen) bolts on each side.
3)  Take a set of circlip pliers - or a suitably long and pointy set of long nose pliers can do- and put them into the (2) holes in the metal ring that is around the ignition keyswitch.  Unscrews the ring and remove it along with the plastic ring that is under it.
4)  Now for the fun part - to get the black plastic piece off, you need to gradually work the black cover both upward (from the ignition key end) and backward (sliding from the front edge near the headlight).   It will want to grip the rubber seals around the instrument dials - just keep working it gradually up and to the rear.   There are (2) small hidden "clips" on thepainted part of the fairing toward the headlight on either side which are intended to grap onto some plastic tabs which or on the underside of the left and right edges of the black cowling cover.   You *may* need to look under there and carefully release the tabs if they are reluctant to let go.   These things are broken on most of these bikes, but if you still have yours you will want to try to keep from breaking them off.   I just keep gradually working the black cowling a bit upward at the rear and sliding it back a bit until the rear is clear of the instruments and it comes smoothly off.

Now you know why those tabs are often broken.  this is also the only PITA part of working on the R65LS models, IMHO.   Now, you can see the  back of the instruments and access the connector/plug  on the tach.   somewhere I have some pictures concerning taking the tach apart, but it sounds like that might be beyond what you are willing to venture into.  In any case, you will have to go through all of the above to remove your tachometer to send it in for repair if you don't find an issue with the wiring or the plug.

Best of luck!
NH Mike
« Last Edit: May 31, 2012, 10:50:33 AM by nhmaf »
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Re: 82 R65LS Tachometer Fluctuation
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2012, 07:29:04 PM »
I'm thinking nhmaf nailed it. Nothing wrong with the gauge, just the wiring to it, or internally.

Make absolutely sure about the 12V to it, the ground and the signal. Sounds like you've checked the signal, but what about the other two? And what about the large black multi connection plug? Good connections there too?

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Re: 82 R65LS Tachometer Fluctuation
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2012, 12:38:21 PM »
At idle the tach reads a steady 1k, however, blipping the throttle the tach is slowing moving, likewise when revving the engine in the vicinity what should be 3k-4k rpm the need on the tach is reading what I believe to be rather low, barely could get it to 2k rpm.

With the "detailed" directions for removing the dreaded black plastic fairing portion, I got it off!!!!!  Thanks for the insight worked like magic!

Everything is exposed, and I gave a slight tug on the plastic plug that goes into the rear of the tach, it didn't bunch. How much pressure does one have to apply to get it to come loose?  From an outward perspective all things are nice and clean no  grime that I can see.  I just don't want to apply to much pulling pressure that I break something.

thanks again for all the advice.

Regards

Jim



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Re: 82 R65LS Tachometer Fluctuation
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2012, 12:42:26 PM »
The connector on the tachometer, probably hasn't been off since the bike was built .

Try a piece of wood under the lip of the connector, use it to pry the connector off .

Use it in one place, then go to the opposite side of the connector and do the same thing .

I'm sure the plastic is brittle, so don't use excessive force .
« Last Edit: June 02, 2012, 01:19:10 PM by Bob_Roller »
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'82 R65 LS
'84 R65 LS
'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
'02 R1150R
Riding all year long since 1993 .
I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!

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Re: 82 R65LS Tachometer Fluctuation
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2012, 01:12:04 PM »
Bob,

Thanks got it off.  The connectors look like the day there were put together.  I lack the skill to use a "multimeter", have one, but likely will wait until I round up someone with skills to check the power and ground using the multimeter.  If all check out properly, then I guess my last option is to ship it off to PAS, or Foreign Speedo for an overhaul.  

Any recommendation as to which to use?

thanks

Jim