R45 vs R65

[Tony_T]

Hi all,
I'm hoping to get my hands on a shop manual for my '79 R65 by the weekend, which basically means that I need to be able to download it from somewhere.
The only one online I can find is for R45.
Are the specs/service procedures much the same for these models except for capacity and carby size?
Alternatively, does anyone know where I can download a manual for my R65?
btw I want to purchase and do it legally.  

[nhmaf]

Hmm, I'm not sure about where to find a downloadable shop manual, but there are many similarities between the R45 and R65 of the same vintage.  Carbs, cylinders/pistons are the primary areas of difference - most of the other bits are the same or nearly the same AFAIK.

[Rob Valdez 79 R65]

Did you check this PDF file in the FAQ section, here?

http://www.bmwr65.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1271881232

That should give you everything you need to get it running.
It is for a '81-'84, so there are differences like the clutch lever, but you should be able to work it out, and ask us questions here.

[Tony_T]

Thanks Rob,
But that's for an Owner's Manual, not a shop manual.

[Rob Valdez 79 R65]

The BMW shop manual is not worth much; it assumes you have been factory trained and have factory tools at hand.

Haynes and Clymer are not much better, as they scarcely acknowledge the existence of Type 248 bikes, and what information there is (torque figures) can sometimes be wrong.

The owner's manual on the other hand, is surprisingly effective.

[suecanada]

Owners Manual is absolutely the best out there. Recent bike manuals are the pits! And I don't mean racing pits! Not nearly the wide topics covered in new model bike manuals. I don't find my service manual all that user friendly either for the R65LS.

[Barry]

The only one online I can find is for R45.
Are the specs/service procedures much the same for these models except for capacity and carby size?

Yes which makes the fact that they do separate manuals surprising.

As mentioned the owners manual is very good and lists all of the differences.

Bore and piston size
valve sizes
carb size
Final drive ratio
Speedo ratio
Side panel decals

and I think that's it,  everything else is identical

[Tony_T]

Thanks Barry!
I'm mainly getting into electrical stuff and wheel bearings first, so that R45 manual will get me by.  

[Barry]

Tony

One thing that didn't get mentioned yet is that there are quite a few differences between 78 - 80 and 81 - 85 versions of our bikes.

Does your online manual cover the earlier versions like yours and mine and if so any chance of a link?

[Tony_T]

I was aware that there's differences between those year models through what I've read on this site.
Unfortunately, the manual I thought was online, is actually only available on CD. It does cover the early versions as well, though.
Here's the link to the site. http://www.repairbooks.co.uk/bmw/R45/index.htm

[Barry]

Thanks Tony, I hadn't seen that one before.  

Most people get by with a Haynes or a Clymers and even if they are said to be less than perfect there's so much other info on the net for Airheads in general that it's rare to be stuck on any individual task.

[Rob Valdez 79 R65]

That is an interesting link.  Too bad they don't show one or two pages for example, so you know what you are getting.  If it is the factory manual, I consider it worthless.  I have a copy of one in a box somewhere that never sees the light of day.

They do provide an email address where you can request manuals that are not listed.