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Author Topic: Gasoline Smell  (Read 2226 times)

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Gasoline Smell
« on: September 08, 2010, 01:16:09 PM »
Hi Folks,

Have a new problem, been going on a while & can hardly stand it any longer.

Any one get a strong gas smell from their bike?  Does the gas cap gasket let the fumes escape when it needs to be replaced?

I do not find any gas smell below the tank, no leaks, no drips, nada. The only thing I can figure is it is escaping via the gas cap.

Any thoughts on this one

Bill

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Re: Gasoline Smell
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2010, 01:36:26 PM »
If it is a strong smell of gas and you haven't been running the motorcycle, chances are that there may be a leak somewhere, and you just haven't found it yet.   It could be slow enough that the gas has time to evaporate mostly before you see it.  ALSO, DO CHECK THAT YOUR PETCOCK is working properly and check the oil in the engine crankcase - if the petcock isn't shut off and the float needle doesn't completely seal off the inflow of fuel from the tank, your engine/crankcase could fill up with gasoline, which would be a VERY bad thing if you then went to start it.

The gas cap IS supposed to vent to the atmosphere - if it doesn't, then you get a problem with fuel starvation from a partial vacuum that is created in the fuel tank when the fuel level drops.
But, I don't smell a strong gasoline smell when the cap is screwed in place - in fact, I'd have to work very hard to smell any gasoline smell at all unless some was spilled out or the tank was overfilled.  If your gas cap doesn't seem to screw in tightly, maybe it isn't seating properly and allowing fumes to come out but I haven't had this happen to me before.

Lastly, check the underside of your fuel tank.  Do you have the fuel overflow hose connected?   It should go from a small tube on the underside of the fuel tank toward the front (the top of the tube is the small circular hole you'll see on the side of the filler neck when you unscrew the gas cap).    Gas overflow from the tank will drip down this tube, and there should be a hose connecting the bottom of the tube and run back along the frame and downward to drip onto the ground, to the side of the rear tire.

Lastly, lastly, check your tank carefully along the seams for signs of dampness or paint bubbles.  IF the bottom of the tank is rusting through one will often smell gasoline odor before there is a significant drip-drip-drip, often the paint will keep the gasoline in check until the gasoline eventually dissolves through the paint.

Good luck-
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Re: Gasoline Smell
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2010, 01:36:29 PM »
Bill,

Could be the cap but...First I would check all your fuel lines, petcock, carbs, etc. Then the seal on the cap.

Then, I would CAREFULLY check the underside of your tank.  When's the last time you've thoroughly and completely flushed and inspected the inside of your tank?  I just went through this with a friend of mine.  He had multiple small pin holes in the bottom of his tank, slight enough the fuel was evaporating and not leaving a wet trace. The only indication his tank was in trouble was the smell of fuel.  I would carefully wipe the bottom of your tank with a tissue or paper towel and look closely.  Until you're sure DO NOT TAP or PUSH on the bottom of your tank.

Please take ALL precautions with the fuel vapors where the bike is stored!  Make sure there is ample ventilation and NO open flames.

Let us know what you find.
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Re: Gasoline Smell
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2010, 01:40:01 PM »
nhmaf,

Sorry - your post beat me my 3 seconds - didn't mean to cause an echo in here.
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Re: Gasoline Smell
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2010, 02:16:05 PM »
No problemo !
Having more than 1 response here is never a bad thing, especially if they tend to agree!
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Re: Gasoline Smell
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2010, 02:27:50 PM »
May be worth checking the cross over pipe between the carbs as it passes through the Clam Shell air filter housing.
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Re: Gasoline Smell
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2010, 08:19:46 AM »
Thanks for the input. I ride the bike almost daily.  There is no odor in the garage where the bike is stored. I keep the petcock off 99% of the time & the 1% that I forget there is not any strong odor.  I don't have any small tube from the bottom of the tank for the overflow, I'll check into that.  Inside of tank seems to be rust free although the red paint in it has been coming off. The smell did not really start till after I rebuilt the carbs. I put a windshield on the bike so now the odor is more noticable since the wind doesn't blow it away. I don't recollect any odor prior to the carb rebuild. One thing though, I don't tighten the gas cap where it locks because I had a problem getting it open w/the key once before, but prior to rebuilding the carbs I don't remember it smelling.

I just can't figure it out but I'll keep you posted

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Re: Gasoline Smell
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2010, 08:30:34 AM »
Just so I understand you correctly, you only smell fuel, when you are riding the bike ?

On the fuel cap, the is a 'fix' for the cap spinning and not unlocking .

There are two methods, one is drill a hole in the top of the cap and insert a long screw, the other is drilling a hole in an existing hole in the thread area of the cap, then insert , at least in my case, a stainless steel cotter pin with the head cut off of it, tap it into the hole, and you will never have the problem again, also the lock will never work again either .
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Re: Gasoline Smell
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2010, 09:12:53 AM »
Rebuilt the carbs - hmmm.   If you drop the float bowls off the carbs, how far down from the top of the bowl is the gasoline level?   Should be at least 4mm down, generally more like 8-10mm, I think.   If your float needle/arm isn't adjusted right, you may have alot more gas sitting the the carb, and getting up into the jet passageways.

Do add the tank overflow tube as well - it is not recommended to be dumping gasoline onto a hot engine and around the starter motor at a gas station due to an overfill/spill during refueling!
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Re: Gasoline Smell
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2010, 10:40:26 AM »
That's my thought pattern as well, the problem didn't exist before you worked on the area, so you really need to go back and check your work .
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Re: Gasoline Smell
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2010, 02:56:36 PM »
Correct Bob, I only smell it when riding for the most part & have never noticed any fuel dripping from the overflow port but that doesn't mean anything, I realize it would evap from the heat before I prob noticed anything, but even when the tank is almost empty, such as now, I can smell gas, will put a hose on there, not good like you say.

I will check the level of fuel in float bowl, seems like I looked at that once & it was not 'too full'.

And as far as going over my work, I took a long time & was very meticulous replacing the o-rings & gaskets, didn't want to get anything to go wrong & even took one back off the bike cause I thought I had something wrong but didn't.  But I suppose I could take them back off, spray stuff through them & put them back on but it took me forever to get them adjusted to where it ran right but at least I know how to do that now so I shouldn't have that problem again

I'm sure it is something simple, something I'm just overlooking, floats being old & such could be a prob but there again I can't find any fuel leaking from the overflow pipe in the bowl.  

I'll keep looking, since the tank is empty now I can get it off easy enough to check for pin holes or other problems.

Any one have any extra bags for the bike I can borrow till I can afford to buy some?? :D

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Re: Gasoline Smell
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2010, 09:31:15 AM »
Just to let You all know, I think ??? i got the gas smell taken care of, I put a pc of hose on the vent nipple & it seemed to help, only had it on a short while & thought I smelled gas while getting on or off the bike but not when actually riding it.  I'm a bit baffeled, seems that while going any speed at all the wind would have taken the smell away but I guess not...

Thanks for everyone's input