OIL FILTERS

[montmil]

I just instigated a little tiff over at advrider for posting an image and graph taken as captures from articles on the net that adress this whole airhead filter question.  Well, my posting was called "crap" anyway, if that rates a tiff.

Looking on the brighter side, the folks on Boxerworks might have burned your jockey shorts plumb off.

Here on R65 dot org, you've gotten some good info without creating a "crappy tiff". [smiley=thumbup.gif]

Monte

[bjamesw]

I do understand Anton's point about excerpting from his article and posting what I believed to be a useful condensation.  Not my call.  He'd rather have it seen in whole.   I was only a little taken back by the hostility.  He might have just pointed out the problem and I'd have been fine.

I know there's a lot of "hey it's the internet... get used to bad behavior" sentiment around.   I don't buy it.    

For my part I ought to be more straightforward, less sarcastic, offer less silly humor.   That just seems to invite 'no holds barred'.  

[Rob Valdez 79 R65]

Advrider is one of the roughest-playing forums that I know of, IMO, of course, but that thread looks pretty tame.

I though Anton was VERY nice to you, IMO.

It is very easy to cut & paste what you want from their website, and on a PC with Firefox (don't know about Mac) you can right-click on any picture, select "Copy Image Location" and then come to your post and click the

http://www.largiader.com/tech/filters/

The only time I will copy an online image and post it on my PBase account is because the original image was too large, and I wanted a smaller copy for posting with.  I either contact the owner for permission or I put a link on my PBase page to the source.

[Mike V]

Here on R65 dot org, you've gotten some good info without creating a "crappy tiff".

Monte

Well said Monte, without getting into all the other baggage that seemed to get drug into this very important thread; james - it's important you have a clear understanding of the measurements and procedure for whats been discussed.  If you're still not clear let us know.  There's always going to be more than one way to do something, it's up to you to decide which one you prefer, just like the use of forums. I'm confident you'll always get a fair, kind shake here.  Sometimes things sound worse than they really are.

[Barry]

Mike makes a good point.

Some of us and I particularly include myself in this, rather enjoy that what should be a simple thing like an oil filter change can be technically difficult.  You can blame BMW in the first instance for what is without doubt a bad piece of design but we do revel in a bit.  

Anyway my advice is do your own measurements and write them down and draw a conclusion. It has to be done correctly but it's really very straight forward.

If anyone is still unsure do the measurements and post them up here for comment.

[bjamesw]

Incidentally, why was the canister not sealed against the case at the point we're discussing anyway?  There would seem to be some reason for the gap there.  I can't figure it out.

And Rob, I really, really, truly and honestly, do not want to instigate anything here either.  But I wonder how you might determine that calling my sincere attempt to help others "crap" instead of merely pointing out the error of my ways without insult could be seen as being very nice to me,  In fact you said you thought it was VERY nice to me. You and I seem to have a dramatically different perception of nice.  And, again, that's what I mean about this "it's the internet, get used to it" sort of mentality.  I don't buy it.  I hope you dont.

[Rob Valdez 79 R65]

I can only reiterate what I said about the ADVrider forum, before.  "Crap" is a very mild term on that forum.
I have a total of 14 posts on ADV.  I joined 7 years ago...

About the only time I go there, is when someone posts a link to the site.

[nhmaf]

I generally agree with Rob - the ADV forum is definitely more "wild west" than here in our little corner of the net, and "crap" is a very mild term in that environ.  While I haven't met him face to face, Anton generally isn't a bad guy - like anyone he can have his moments but for the most part I think that he is a very helpful and highly experienced.  I may even be sending him a transmission to rebuild this winter.

I'd advise to not get too worked up over it and it will all be forgotten in time.  Anton L and Bob F spend alot of time putting info on their website to the benefit of many, and they may get a bit protective of the material in part because they put alot of effort into it, and in part because they don't want the info to be misconstrued/misinterpreted by being taken out of context --- I think.

[Barry]

Incidentally, why was the canister not sealed against the case at the point we're discussing anyway?There would seem to be some reason for the gap there.I can't figure it out.  

There's no particular reason that I can think of. As I said before if anything is "crap" about this topic it's BMW's design although I believe the reason it's bad is because of the adaptation to allow oil cooler connections. The original /5 system with an inner cover which sealed the filter was OK and had no white O ring.  

We love our airheads but still you shouldn't need a vernier gauge to change an oil filter. It's bad design or at least a bad development of the original design and we have to live with it.

I think Anton's web site is the best overall info with images available on this topic and I notice he has continued to expand it to include the bypass valve. The only thing he stops short of is giving you a target O ring compression to aim for. He gives a range because in fact that's what you need in practice and also because he wants to make the reader think and understand the issue.

[Yikes]

Gee guys.  The first thing I did with my bike was change the oil and replace the filter, in the PO's garage before I rode it home in fact.  Every filter change I've done, the new filter fit right and I've never thought anything of it. :-/  The only struggle I've ever had with the filter change is getting the cover plate to clear the frame tube putting it back on. Never having had a problem, I've never felt compelled to measure anything.

John, Blissfully Ignorant, McC

[donbmw]

What I think is funny about this $2000.00 oring is. I have had my 82 R65 since new. Have been a member of BMWMOA the same amount of time and was a BMWRA member for a few years. I cannot remember anything being wrote in any of those publication until the last few years. The first time I heard about this was just a few years a when the BMWMOA fourm came on. I realy think it is more about the oring and shim being installed right. I have never check mine, I have looked at the oring and shows some sign of compression and has always. I had a friend do a oil change and did not see the shim fall in the oil pan. He put everything back with out the shim. Starting oil light went out but running the RPM's up the light came on RPM's back to idle light would go out.  After finding out he change the oil the day before. I had him remove the cover and I saw the shim missing. Thats when we looked where dump the oil and found the shim. Installed shim engine ran with no problems on the oil light also the was a R100 with an oil cooler. I think as long as the oil filter is change and everything is put back the way the factory had it at the time the engine was put together you should not have a problem with this. I a engine is overhaul  or dissassemble and the oil canster is removed than this is something that should be check and should not be a problem after this.

Don

[Bob_Roller]

I wondered why BMW didn't just didn't redesign the filter cover and then have a groove machined into the filter cover where the o-ring would sit, a simple solution to the problem .

I agree with Don that this 'problem' has taken on a life that is a bit beyond it's significance .