need help (tranny/clutch)?????

[noquarter]

Were you able to retreive the missing hardware?!!!!  All of them?

Yup,found them all in the rubber boot except for a washer that was somewhere in the middle of the driveshaft.  
Got it with a little patience and luck with a screwdriver.

[Bob_Roller]

Were there additional washers ?

These bikes only use the short bolts, with no lock washers, or any other washers .

[noquarter]

Were there additional washers ?

These bikes only use the short bolts, with no lock washers, or any other washers .

Found 4 bolts and  lock washers? Should I get rid of the washers instead?

[Bob_Roller]

The lock washers were the original problem, they would crack, fall out, then the bolts would be loose .

The bike didn't come from the factory, someone familiar with older airhead bikes, must have performed maintenance on it, and put it back together with the older version of bolts .

I would order the newer short bolts, and install them without any washers .

I checked BMW parts sites (even the official BMW site), and all of them show bolts and washers, anyone know the correct part number for the short bolts ?

[Mike V]

Bob,
Someone should double-check me, I believe it to be:
13mm, 26-11-1-242-297.

Here's a link to Bum's site that should verify.
http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/drvshftboltstoolstorque.htm

Mike V.

[Bob_Roller]

I checked the part numbers, and they are they same that you posted, but they still show a washer being used !!!!!!!

Looks like BMW needs to edit their illustrated parts catalog .

[Mike V]

Bob,
Yes...BUT, if you go to the parts fische you'll see #2 is "ended" and #3 is the replacement bolt without the lock washers (#2) starting in 1980 (is the way I understand it).

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=0364&mospid=47851&btnr=26_0112&hg=26&fg=05

Someone may want to verify all this but I believe the REAL OEM site is updated information. I can give Ted's shop a call when I have some time.

[Bob_Roller]

I think someone not real proficient with the parts catalog, may order and install the washer, like the IPC shows .

This maybe what happened in this circumstance .

I find it a bit odd, that starting with the 09/80 production date, these were never used from the factory, so they shouldn't even be shown on the parts sites when doing a specific search for a particular manufacture date of bike .

One of those 'gotchas' that slip in every now and then .

Up to now, when I've seen 'ended' in the comments column, it means the part is no longer available, and I'm quite sure an 8mm wave washer is still available .

[Mike V]

Bob,
Agree with you on all points.  Another reason this forum and the consolodated experience of airhead owners and wrenches is so valuable. Most parts vendors are aware this refittment and a lot of information regarding this specific subject matter is well documented and available...if you know where to look.  That's where the rub comes in in my opinion. A simple oversight or mistake in an area such as this can result in catastrophic failure and very expensive repair.

I'm still trying to get verification on the bolt part number.  When I do, I'll be sure to post it and revise the subject heading for clarification and easy search hits.

The original poster was quite fortunate his free bolts did not end up destroying moving parts. There's plenty of stories of the un-lucky ones out there.

[Bob_Roller]

If you go to RealOEM, and put the part number that you posted, into the search box, both part numbers for the long and short bolts come up, if you select the R65 model on the second page .

[Rob Valdez 79 R65]

BMW Service Bulletin #26 005 83 (2078)

https://www.bmwmc.net/catalog/2078.pdf

It looks like Part # 26 11 1 242 297 is the correct fastener.

[Mike V]

Thanks for the confirmation Rob, and - I just got off the phone with James at Beemershop, he agrees the correct replacement driveshaft bolt part number is 26 11 1 242 297. This bolt is slightly shorter and to be used without wave washers or lock (split-ring) washers.  Blue Locktite is recommended on clean threads. And it also seems to be a generic replacement even prior to 1980.

I think some of the problems may evolve when someone tries to re-use these original factory (long) bolts and washers without knowing of the retrofit.

[nhmaf]

MY 1982 R65LS came with long bolts and lock washers - I cannot guarantee it was installed that way at the factory, but they didn't appear to have been replaced/budged from what I could tell.   I replaced them with the new short bolts, of course.  I don't re-use these bolts & get new ones everytime, though I hang on to a few of the used ones for emergency purposes.