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Offline Lucky_Lou

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still lacking power
« on: May 10, 2009, 12:36:55 PM »
Im still lacking power when setting off from a standing start and surgeing abit at steady speeds when i run with  the "choke" on this is not a problem?? should i consider incressing the size of the idle jet or wont that make any differrance
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Re: still lacking power
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2009, 12:47:11 PM »
Why don't you list the work,and things that have been done to try and isolate your problem.

The condition you have is not 'normal', it needs to be addressed, or it may just leave you stranded, most likely in a cold heavy rain far from home !!!!  
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Re: still lacking power
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2009, 12:49:52 PM »
Possible good news for you, Lou. I just waded through Snowbum's thesis on balancing and synchonizing the Bings. I have had my rebuilt Bings running for less than a week now and they need the final tweeks for smoothing 'em out.

Snowbum discusses, heavily, and ad infinitum, topics including your concerns plus a few of no concern. Make yourself a sandwich and sit down for a l-o-n-g spell in front of your compuker screen.

http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/synchcarbs.htm

I just completed a homemade manometer to use for sync'ing my carbs so I'll soon be rid a couple minor stumbles, too.

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Re: still lacking power
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2009, 02:07:58 PM »
Thanks Montmil ive tried balanceing them with a vacuum guage i bought at a motor factor frankly it was as much use as tits on a bull,,,,imposible to read as it bouced around the scale with erery stroke of the engine ill settle down with a chilled beer and read the article
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Re: still lacking power
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2009, 02:16:25 PM »
Lemme save you some time, Lou. I edited Snowbum's article for my personal use. Eliminated stuff that didn't relate to Bings and a bit of blah, blah, blah. Simplified the article for my simple mind.

I'll email you the PDF. Less reading [size=18]large[/size], no ALL CAPS, fewer of these !!!!! and NOTES: and........  ;)

Stand by.   Monte

PS: PDF is on its way.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2009, 02:19:21 PM by montmil »
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Re: still lacking power
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2009, 06:25:15 PM »
Lou, I guess we just found out the same thing at the same time!  I built what I thought was gonna be a killer carb syncher out of two identical K-D vacuum gauges and got around to trying it this morning on the "Junkyard Dawg".  I think the needles bounced between about 18" of vacuum and 6-7 psi at idle - I was afraid the freakin' needles were going to spin off the gauges!  When things got up to about 3k rpm things sorta smoothed out so maybe it'll be some worth for adjusting cruise balance...
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Re: still lacking power
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2009, 06:35:39 PM »
The dial gauge type synchronizers, have a damper valve on the hose between the carb and the indicator.

You may want to try and devise some sort of adjustable valve, I'm drawing a blank right now , as to what you could use .
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Re: still lacking power
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2009, 07:11:16 PM »
Guys, Just posted here. Check out my el cheapo grande DIY manometer.
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Re: still lacking power
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2009, 08:28:56 PM »
Quote
Lou, I guess we just found out the same thing at the same time!  I built what I thought was gonna be a killer carb syncher out of two identical K-D vacuum gauges and got around to trying it this morning on the "Junkyard Dawg".  I think the needles bounced between about 18" of vacuum and 6-7 psi at idle - I was afraid the freakin' needles were going to spin off the gauges!  When things got up to about 3k rpm things sorta smoothed out so maybe it'll be some worth for adjusting cruise balance...

Justin

Go to  a pet store that sells fish and get to air valves these should work to dampen the air pulse.

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Re: still lacking power
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2009, 08:37:37 PM »
I'll check out PeTSmart next time I'm there.  Don't really know why I am bothering as I've been adjusting them by ear for 30 years.   But, probably been doin' it wrong!
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Re: still lacking power
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2009, 08:48:46 PM »
If you don't have a good dial/knob dampener for those pressure guages (I've never found any of the dial type gauge things to work too well, IMHO) what you can do is something that we use to dampen the response in other manometers, rotameters, or any pressure/vacuum devices, really.  If you can get another bit of hose the same I.D. as the hose that connects to your pressure gauge, and another piece of stiff tubing that has an O.D. that matches the I.D. of your other tube/hose, but which has a much smaller I.D.  Then:

Cut a 5-6" long piece of the tubing that has the same I.D. as your pressure gauge tubing.  Cut a 1/2" to 3/4" long piece of the smaller, stiff tubing.   Push the small piece of tubing halfway into the pressure gauge hose and then push the other end of the small tube into the 6" long piece of new larger tubing.   You then hookup the larger, added
hose to the vacuum port of the carb.

The restriction imposed by the small diameter insert acts as a pressure "dampener" to slow down the response of the needle.  But it won't change the measurement value itself.  You can experiment with different I.D of the inserted tubes and/or different lengths of it
for more or less dampening (longer and/or smaller I.D = more dampening).  It works best for the inserted short tubes to have MUCH smaller I.D. e.g. if the other hoses/tubes have an I.D of about 5mm you'd want the inserted short tube piece to have an I.D. of less than 1mm, if you can find it - otherwise you'll need to compensate with much longer piece.
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Re: still lacking power
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2009, 09:26:17 PM »
I have some 1/4" aluminum round stock so I'll cut a couple of pieces 2-3" long and start boring increasingly sized holes in 'em, splice 'em into the hose, and see what happens...
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Re: still lacking power
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2009, 02:52:56 PM »
That should work.  I found a hose adapter at Napa.  It looks like two cones, flat sides together, with increasing diameters.  You're supposed to clip off the smaller ends than you need to hook together hoses of two different sizes.  I just cut my balancer hose in half and pushed the two halves together over this adapter, and it smoothed things out well.  I think the orifice diameter is under 1/8", but it's been a long time since I looked at it.

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