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BMW Accessory Socket Kit
« on: February 14, 2009, 05:16:45 PM »
Hi All,

I am looking at fitting an external accessory socket to my R65LS to allow easy battery charging, and having the option of an external power socket. I am curious whether the kits just connect to the battery or to the socket under the tank. There are kits from Motobins and Motorworks:

http://www.motobins.co.uk/displayfinal.php?function=show&subs=217a&title=AUXILLIARY+POWER+POINT (94290)
http://tinyurl.com/r65lsacc (ELA43664)

Then there is a kit at RealOEM:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=0359&mospid=47852&btnr=71_0159&hg=71&fg=15

The RealOEM part seems the same for the R65LS, R65 and a quick check showed the same part number as an R100/7. I assume this kit doesn't connect to the accessory connector under the tank, but straight to the battery.  Does anyone know? Is the RealOEM kit the same kit as listed above from the two UK suppliers.

Sorry for all the questions, I am just hoping someone has fitted this kit and can let me know. I just thought it was a good idea to use the supplied accessory socket instead of hard wiring to the battery.

All the best,
Paul

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Re: BMW Accessory Socket Kit
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2009, 06:23:02 PM »
You need to find a Bosch type accessory.  It looks like a cigarette lighter socket, I believe the PC term is now "power point", and should be readily available from places like Cycle Gadgets.  There are also small trickle chargers that can fit under the seat and are relatively inexpensive.  Good luck!
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Re: BMW Accessory Socket Kit
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2009, 08:05:21 PM »
The OEM/factory power outlet connects directly to the battery and the +12V line is fused.  The socket is the standard "BMW" type and takes a special plug...
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Re: BMW Accessory Socket Kit
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2009, 04:33:11 AM »
I've been quite disappointed with the genuine BMW/Bosch type auxilliary power plugs and sockets. Plugs pulling out very easily and frequent poor contacts, despite spending full price for what I believed the best components. I haven't noticed other users mentioning these probs, but I gave up after a year struggling with this system. After losing power to my heated jacket, once too often, over 100 miles from home in sub zero etc etc.
So...... I went to Maplin/Radio Shack and found a power plug set which I could set up with a floating power socket on the bike. I think having the output socket free floating on a short cable goes a long way to preventing accidental disconnection.
The Maplin power connection has a built in clip holding the two halves together which can be tuned with a file to allow easier parting of the halves when I get off the bike forgetting to disconnect myself. I've found it very reliable over the last few months and have fitted a matching plug to the battery charger. Its cheap too. http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?criteria=power%20connector&source=15 [battery connectors numbers JG04E and JG05F]. I found these mentioned on another forum. I can't remember the amp rating but I do remember it was well over 10 amps, so they're safe for the job.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2009, 03:07:19 PM by larstorders »

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Re: BMW Accessory Socket Kit
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2009, 12:28:33 PM »
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Hi All,  I am looking at fitting an external accessory socket to my R65LS to allow easy battery charging, and having the option of an external power socket.... I just thought it was a good idea to use the supplied accessory socket instead of hard wiring to the battery... Paul

Here's another option to consider; although it does not meet your specs for an accessory socket, it is an easy battery tender plan.



Using the battery tender is far better than a plain battery charger in that the tender stops charging when the battery is topped off. The tender then monitors the voltage and will then recharge the battery. No danger of cooking the batt. Indicator lamps tell you what's going on with the battery.

I bought a simple two-wire trailer harness at Northern Tool. Your FLAP may have 'em too. The battery end is hard wired and the pigtail rides with the scooter. Just plug in the tender when you plan to be off the bike for an extended time.

Both my R65s have the same hookup.

Monte
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Re: BMW Accessory Socket Kit
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2009, 05:32:57 PM »
+1 on the battery tender, Monte. Rittmeister has sat in my unheated garage for nearly 2 months now, thanks to inclement weather, some minor post-op complications following (what I hope is) my last eye surgery, and now my mounting/dismounting knee that began hurting like crazy about 3 weeks ago. (It happened before, then went away for about two years. I suspect the lateral meniscus (perhaps the medial also) is torn.) Result: I haven't been riding, and it isn't prudent (both domestic politics & safety) to start up & run a few minutes in the garage. (Besides, I'm not sure I can put enough force on the knee to get the bike off the center stand & then back on it after I've moved it.)

I noticed the battery was down slightly, so I purchased the 1.25-amp Battery Tender Plus during the holidays. It charged up normally and quickly (about 4 hours as I recall) seems to be doing great ever since. The green light tells me all is well.

When I connected the BT, I didn't have time to install the pigtail, so I simply raised the seat, slid the bungee battery hold-downs far enough to the side to permit clipping on the connecting pincers, and plugged it in. When the weather is warmer, I'll disconnect the battery cables & put on the pigtail.

One question regarding the R65 electrical system: My 1981 has electronic ignition, I know. Otherwise, I gather it's not particularly sexy as modern bikes go. Other than getting a terminal case of the dumba$$ and connecting the battery backwards, is there anything on my '81 R65 that I can screw up through carelessness or stupidity (or both) when disconnecting/reconnecting a battery? After hearing horror stories about modern cages' electrical disasters (most notably Mercedes, though the rice mills seem to have their share), I tend to ask this question through sheer reflex.

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Re: BMW Accessory Socket Kit
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2009, 07:01:43 PM »
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...some minor post-op complications following (what I hope is) my last eye surgery...

One question regarding the R65 electrical system: My 1981 has electronic ignition, I know. Otherwise, I gather it's not particularly sexy as modern bikes go. Other than getting a terminal case of the dumba$$ and connecting the battery backwards, is there anything on my '81 R65 that I can screw up through carelessness or stupidity (or both) when disconnecting/reconnecting a battery? After hearing horror stories about modern cages' electrical disasters (most notably Mercedes, though the rice mills seem to have their share), I tend to ask this question through sheer reflex.

Hey! Fellow traveler of sorts. Last June I had a surgical procedure to relieve excessive fluid pressure in my left eye. Do that or develop glaucoma and risk loss of sight in the eye. All good now... save for the March 16 surgery to remove a catatract... in the same eye. Jeez. Hope we both recover OK.

The battery tender has internal circuitry that will protect the battery and wiring if the charger is hooked up backassbackwards. That's a good thing.

I try to remember to disconnect the battery's negative (–) cable before I do anything that might cause a short... Such as pulling off the front engine cover and zapping the diode board. $$$  :-/  Easiest for me to disconnect the ground strap at the transmission bolt rather than futz about at the battery terminal.

The electrics on the Beemer are difficult to screw up unless you try really hard. Although I have tried, I admit!

Monte
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Re: BMW Accessory Socket Kit
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2009, 10:34:19 PM »
I installed one on my R65 back in 1983, or so, and never looked back.
The only weak point I see, might be the fuse holder and fuse.  It uses the same 7.5 amp ceramic European-type fuse that gives us so many headaches in the regular receptors.

Pay attention to polarity, if you install a BMW-type plug on a charger.  (or phone charger...)

The same kit fits all post '70 twin-shock airheads, AFAIK.

If you find yourself playing "the gadgeteer", like I do, that positive terminal can get clogged up pretty quick.
My solution:


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« Last Edit: February 16, 2009, 07:09:11 PM by Rob_Valdez_79_R65 »

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Re: BMW Accessory Socket Kit
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2009, 12:43:27 PM »
Rob, I like the fuse block arrangement.  Can you provide part numbers and sources?
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Re: BMW Accessory Socket Kit
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2009, 07:03:17 PM »
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Rob, I like the fuse block arrangement.  Can you provide part numbers and sources?

Sure.  The hardest part to source was the left-side accessory box.  They were originally intended to house the electrics for the additional driving lights, or for police use.

I ordered one from Chicago BMW a couple of years ago, and it never did come in.  I mentioned it to a German friend, who's family still lives in Germany, and he said his Dad could probably get one for me from a dealer there.  Sure enough!  Less than $10, too!
Actually, all he wanted in return were some souvenirs from the Indianapolis Speedway (I live here).  So I got him a money clip and a beer glass!

Part #    61 13 1 243 693

RealOEM didn't list that part # anymore.  Max BMW did.  It is in the Lighting section, toward the bottom.   good luck on it!


The fuse block is MUCH easier!


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« Last Edit: February 16, 2009, 07:04:43 PM by Rob_Valdez_79_R65 »

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Re: BMW Accessory Socket Kit
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2009, 09:12:12 PM »
General reply to montmil, sent to all in the event anyone is interested or might be faced with a similar scenario in the future:

Monte, I'm very happy for your success with the first surgery (to correct the pressure condition). Am I guessing correctly that the pressure-relief procedure you had was a "vitrectomy"? If so, did the surgeon use the "gas bubble" technique? That's not fun, and it's a huge PITA (figuratively speaking, for that part of the body is pointed at the ceiling for a long time—as in a few weeks.  ;D ). Further good news: compared to what you've had, cataract surgery will be a piece of cake. (I've read stats that the full-success rate is in the high-90th percentile, and there's very little discomfort, if any.) If that's the case, I toast your successful outcome. (I've got an open bottle of IPA with me at the computer.)

I had a condition called "macular pucker" in both eyes. (Macular pucker, unlike macular degeneration, is correctable with a high success rate.) The surgery to correct macular pucker is generally a vitrectomy also, but there are fewer complexities involved, and consequently less risk. In a full vitrectomy with gas, the post-op patient has to keep head down almost constantly for several weeks (a la Lon Chaney in the 1923 Hunchback of Notre Dame), even to the point of sleeping face-down, with face in a framing device that might have been inspired by a toddler's potty seat.  ;D Also, there is more risk with the more serious procedure. Faced with blindness, I'd still take the odds, but it's nice to know you had a winning hand.

Mine were all (relatively) simple procedures, but it has taken about 8 months, due in part to "the human factor." Procedure #1 was vitrectomy on the left eye to correct macular pucker. (It seems much more unpleasant than it really is, but I'll describe by PM only upon request.) Monte, did the surgeon tell you that a frequent side-effect of retinal (or otherwise internal) surgery is cataract formation? Mine did, but I was unprepared for the speed. I went from 20/40 post-op in mid-July to 20/700 (that's right) by November in my left eye. Meanwhile, I had hoped to get cataract surgery in the left eye by September, but because of a 3-way standoff (euphamistically called a "Rio Grande" Standoff (the real term is objectionable in modern times)) among surgeon, surgical center, and insurance company (the surgical center wore the black hat), I had to wait until November and have it done by a different surgeon at a different surgical center. (Great outcome, however.)

Right eye was next. This time, for scheduling reasons I had cataract done first in early December. I'd already been assured by both retina & cataract surgeons (yeah, two different eye surgeons; next, we'll have them specializing on the left or right eye!) that I could have them done in quick succession, and the order is unimportant. Outcome seemed good. Cataract surgeon put me on post-op eye drops, most notably a steroid suspension that could be called "the A-Rod Eye Cocktail."  ;D  (If any international members are puzzled by this obscure reference, PM me, and I'll explain.) I was still on the drops when I had the second (retina) surgery 11 days later. Not a problem; just continue the drops, since it was the same dosage & same stuff. Now the Joker turned up in the deal: I went to a routine checkup for the retina surgery 9 days post-op, and the pressure in my eye was up (not dangerously). My surgeon was out of town, so one of his partners examined me. The partner took me off the steroid because it tends to raise pressure, and put me on pressure-reducing drops. Three days later, I began having blurred vision & pain in right eye, so I called the medical practice & talked with a third retina surgeon, who said I should not have come off the steroid drops cold-turkey. He put me back on the steroid and cut the pressure-reducing drops.

Three days later (late December)—no pain, but vision in right eye blurred. I happened to have a post-op appointment with the cataract surgeon. (Remember her?) She checked my eyes, found my right eye had deteriorated beyond pre-op levels, and saw what she thought was swelling on the retina (more specifically, in the macula, which covers the retina). She told me that she had to put me on hold until the retinal group stabilized my eye. She kept me on steroid (but a different formulation she prefers), gave me a different anti-pressure eyedrop prescription, and said she would send a letter to the retina surgeon. She said something disturbing: "This will be OK, but it might take a year or more!" (Hell, at this point a year is a fair piece of my remaining life expectancy—and I've got a perfectly good R65 collecting dust in my garage!)

A week later (mid-January)—I saw my retina surgeon (finally). He concurred with the cataract surgeon in all respects & kept me on the drops. Last Tuesday—vision much better. Retina surgeon happy, will see me in 3 months, is writing letter sending me back to cataract surgeon for eyeglass prescription for reading. (I'm using drugstore reading glasses at the moment. Thankfully, my distant vision is darn good without glasses, though slightly <20/20.) So, in a week or two, I should be ready to get back in the saddle (literally). Now if I can get my mount-up knee behaving again, I'll be happy.
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Re: BMW Accessory Socket Kit
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2009, 11:23:24 PM »
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One question regarding the R65 electrical system: My 1981 has electronic ignition, I know. Otherwise, I gather it's not particularly sexy as modern bikes go. Other than getting a terminal case of the dumba$$ and connecting the battery backwards, is there anything on my '81 R65 that I can screw up through carelessness or stupidity (or both) when disconnecting/reconnecting a battery? After hearing horror stories about modern cages' electrical disasters (most notably Mercedes, though the rice mills seem to have their share), I tend to ask this question through sheer reflex.

No - there is no danger posed to your electrical system as long as the bike's ignition is turned off, first.
Just disconnect the negative terminal first, and then the positive.

Reverse for hook-up.  Positive first, then negative.


And for any newbies reading - ALWAYS disconnect the ground (earth) connector at the battery before removing the engine's front cover!
There is a distinct possibility of shorting out the diode board to ground when removing said cover.
That circuit is hot even with the ignition off!

« Last Edit: February 16, 2009, 11:29:24 PM by Rob_Valdez_79_R65 »

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Re: BMW Accessory Socket Kit
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2009, 05:47:34 AM »
And never, never ride with the battery in your lap  ::)

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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2009, 07:18:56 PM »
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And never, never ride with the battery in your lap  ::)

greetings from a white and cold (14F at night) north

Spill it, Peter... "battery in your lap"?  Inquiring minds want to know.   Monte
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Re: BMW Accessory Socket Kit
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2009, 09:59:28 AM »
I had trouble with a battery once and to start the engine I took a spare battery, hooked it up to the faulty one and placed it in my lap intending a ride around the block. After 150 yards the battery in my lap shorted! Apart from a slight burn on the tank and some wounded pride nothing much happened.  [smiley=thud.gif]

greetings from a windy, sunny and considerably warmer north