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Author Topic: Jawa Flat Twin  (Read 6809 times)

Offline Barry

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Jawa Flat Twin
« on: August 28, 2013, 03:50:59 PM »
Here a 500cc flat twin I'd never seen before.  It was a prototype made in small numbers and never made it to the market. Looks to me like they put the gearbox under the engine which pushes the engine higher up. Look at where they tucked the bings away !

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Re: Jawa Flat Twin
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2013, 04:34:47 PM »
And look at that, Bing carburetors!
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Re: Jawa Flat Twin
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2013, 05:17:18 PM »
Jawa built some solid, dependable motorcycles in their time.

That's a clean looking and very interesting design. At least your feet are not banging Bings. On my R100S, I have to move my foot up n' under the right side 40mm Bing just to reach the foot brake pedal.
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Re: Jawa Flat Twin
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2013, 09:17:18 PM »
Same basic layout as the Honda GL1000 goldWing, though with less cylinders.   And, it is also the same layout that BMW is using on the new Waterboxer with the intakes on top, exhaust on the bottom..

Everything old is new again... eventually the bell bottom slacks, afros, and miniskirts will be in vogue again too!
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Re: Jawa Flat Twin
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2013, 03:43:51 PM »
No chance of just popping the float chambers off on those carbs. Perhaps not a great design from the maintenance point of view.

On the other hand most bikes (airheads excepted) have poor access to the carbs. Same goes for spark plugs. Access on airheads is brilliant where as on some other bikes with V twin engines it takes half an hour to change the rear plug.  

I guess we are spoilt.

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Re: Jawa Flat Twin
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2013, 03:28:43 AM »
The do seem to be making things unnecessarily difficult....I wonder if they were just trying to differentiate themselves from BMW?

.....Can't imagine there would be a good technical reason for it.

 I would like to have heard the salesman's 'blurb' !  By that I mean the bollocks he/she would be spouting to explain themselves.

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Re: Jawa Flat Twin
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2013, 07:50:49 AM »
Jawa produced some strong 2-stroke MXers back in the day. Been whupped by a few. Then there's the vintage CZ models still showing up at AHRMA races.

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Re: Jawa Flat Twin
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2013, 11:33:08 AM »
Some more info on that Jawa flat twin.  It had over head cams and 4 valve heads. Bike was built in 1984 so if it looks a little like an oil head it wasn't a copy.
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Re: Jawa Flat Twin
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2013, 10:34:24 AM »
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.....Can't imagine there would be a good technical reason for it.

Probably because it's a DOHC engine.  If you want separate intake and exhaust cams, that is the way to set it up.  It also keeps the intake or exhaust from having to run through the cam chain...  come to think of it, I've never seen the intake/exhaust flow move parallel to the axis of cam rotation.

Honestly, it looks like with the gas tank off the carbs would be easy to remove.
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Re: Jawa Flat Twin
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2013, 10:53:43 AM »
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move parallel to the axis of cam rotation.
on an ohc engine
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Re: Jawa Flat Twin
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2013, 01:37:15 PM »
I'm sure it all made perfect sense to the design team at the time..  Don't think that I'd want to own one, but I would enjoy taking one for a little ride
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Re: Jawa Flat Twin
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2013, 12:51:53 PM »
"eventually the bell bottom slacks, afros, and miniskirts will be in vogue again too"!

Great, I'm glad I kept mine (er...not the minishirt of course... ::))

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Re: Jawa Flat Twin
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2013, 09:57:43 PM »
How do you adjust the air mixture screw which is on the bottom of the carb?

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Re: Jawa Flat Twin
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2013, 01:55:09 AM »
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How do you adjust the air mixture screw which is on the bottom of the carb?


It was a prototype - get it up and running, then fix the fine detail later.
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Re: Jawa Flat Twin
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2013, 10:34:20 PM »
Must have been designed by an Italian!