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MG hack rig - opinions?
« on: June 17, 2010, 11:07:03 AM »
Some of you know that I have a 'dark' side which keeps clamoring for a sidecar rig.   As business goes up and down, sometimes I put it off for another time, and sometimes I get excited and start searching&combing the CL adverts and ebay, etc.    I've wanted an R100 or R90 with a sidecar, but am also very curious about MotoGuzzis, which seem to have similar rugged, simple, stable characteristics as airheads for becoming tugs, and they possibly don't require subframes/frame reinforcement so much.

I came upon this CL advert for a 1986 MG California with low mileage and already paired up with a Velorex 562 hack.   For the price, it is cheaper than what I can presently put together a late 70s/early80s R100 and separate hack for.   I don't know if the 562 hack is ideal size/ease of entry/exit that I was looking for, but this might be an inexpensive way to get my toes wetted in the sidecar 'pool' - and if it isn't for me, I'm not out much $$ and time and could keep the Goose and sell the car, or both together.   The Goose does have that nice big skunk stripe seat!

But, it isn't a BMW airhead.   Hmmm.

Any thoughts/opinions?  ANyone with MG experience who can chime in with advantages/disadvantages of the mid-80s California models is most welcomed, as well as hack experience, or anyone who wants to contribute their 2-pfennig!


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Re: MG hack rig - opinions?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2010, 02:15:46 PM »
Seems to be a good buy to me....maybe a little too good. Might need more than a tune up. But still a new Velorex sidecar is going to cost more than $4,000. A few other questions pop into my mind. Has the frame been beefed up....does it have a sub frame? Any airhead after the /2 needs one......don’t know about Moto Guzzis. Does it have a leading link or modified triple tree... without which the steering is going to be a bit heavy. That bit of extra rake is like adding power steering.  I rode a R90/6 with a Ural sidecar.......and nothing done to modify the steering geometry. It drove like a tank. Mine handles like a sports car compared to that rig. I do know it is cheaper to buy a rig already set up than it is to build one. Might be fun to try it out.

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Re: MG hack rig - opinions?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2010, 03:07:44 PM »
I haven't spoken to the owner yet - ended up getting his brother.  He said that the bike is currently registered and inspected and running on the road on weekends, so that is a good sign, at least.   "Tuneup" can mean/imply alot though - but if it is at least running on the road that is an indicator of less than total disaster (maybe).  Apparently the guy is selling it because his wife has lost the mobility to get in and out of the sidecar, and he is giving it up.   The 562 doesn't appear to be an easy rig to get in/out of though, so I'm not entirely sure MY wife will get in and out of it too well!

The older Guzzis I think have a stronger frame than the same vintage airheads, at least after 1970 - I am not sure of this, but the ones I've seen appear to be very beefy and I've seen a number of them with hacks attached (but didn't look closely at the attachment scheme at the time).

It has standard fork setup, from what I can tell - steering will be higher effort, though it at least has large, wide bars and I have a fair amount of upper body strength.   Several  hackers have suggested I try a rig without modifications first to see if the steering effort is OK before going the investment in either offset steering head modification or leading link conversion kit.  
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2010, 03:54:48 PM »
Well shucks .I would say go for it. I do love my sidecar rig. Even with on the unmodified R90/6 it didn’t take that much body strength.....it’s just different. You go from leaning slightly to steering;  felt a little heavy at first but I don’t notice it now. Now is a good time to buy..the prices are really down from two years ago. My wife has trouble getting in and out of my Steib but the kids and grand kids don’t. Seems to me you wouldn’t lose money.....or at least not much...........and have a lot of fun trying it out.
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Re: MG hack rig - opinions?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2010, 06:32:16 PM »
Mike, do some serious research on the mid '80's Guzzis.  Some of them had specific issues you need to know about.  They are generally great bikes and my California Special Sport is my preferred ride these days.  Go to the Wild Goose Chase discussion forum, http://www.wildguzzi.com/, and ask the same questions there.  More than likely that is a known bike and you will get some responses.  I look at the MG Owners classified regularly but haven't seen that bike posted.  Sounds like a low ball price to me but then Guzzis are one of the best kept secret in the motorcycle world.  Like airheads, they are easy to work on and while there isn't always dealer support close by there is a good tight knit group of Guzziistas willing to help.

Keep us posted.  :)
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2010, 07:40:15 PM »
I do not have any specific advice.  Just a very general DO IT!  SIDECARS and MOTOGUZZIs are both COOL.  How could yo go wrong...go wrong...go wrong...go............wrong...............? :D

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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2010, 11:28:35 PM »
Haha!   Indeed!     Go wrong...... go wrong.....
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2010, 08:06:36 AM »
Hey, Mike, I see where you threw the question out on the Wild Goose forum.  Why not go for it anyhow?  That's a really low price and you can always part out the hack if it's not for you (think your good buddy in Texas with a R906!) and you'll still end up with a really cool Guzzi!  Plus it will sound like a motorcycle. 8-)
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2010, 08:51:37 AM »
We'll see !  Unfortunately it is in a part of Connecticut that  just takes a while to get to, so I'm looking at 3 hours of driving each way to check it out.    I'm thinking on it though.       I've got to get in touch with a guy in NH I was talking to who had an 1980 R100 for sale, and was also expecting to receive a fresh from the crate Chiang-Jang (chinese URAL copy) sidecar that he didn't want anymore.    That would end up being more expensive, but it would be cool too - AND a beemer.   Hmm.

I love that Guzzi sound when they're well tuned up and  revving up tho!
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2010, 09:54:56 AM »
The Cal II has always been one of my favorite Guzzis. They are the longest wheelbase bike Guzzi made, by about 4 inches, and are great for the long legged but also low enough for the shortor of stature.Solid as a rock at speed too, mechanically simple and bulletproof as well. Guzzis are airheads too, sometimes even more so than BMW, and easy to work on. There are also several excellent large parts houses that can ship anything you need within a day or 2.

Please don't even think about a new, crated Chiang-Jang, unless you want to spend the net 2-3 years trying to make things fit and doing a lot of fabrication when they don't. Even when completed, they're still only half as reliable as an older Ural, which ain't saying much! If you can make it though, come on down to the annual Ural rally at Willville, in VA, July 9 - 11. This will be my 4th year going, and it's always a great time with lots of colorful characters!
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2010, 12:22:31 PM »
I'd never buy a CJ motorcycle, but the sidecars themselves are almost as good as the URAL sidecars, and easier to find, whereas the DNEPR sidecars tend to have more serious quality issues.   Again - I'm talking about the hack/sidecar itself, not a motorcycle w/sidecar.   I was thinking of putting the CJ sidecar on the R100T - that would be somewhat retro looking and reliable.
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2010, 04:32:57 PM »
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If you can make it though, come on down to the annual Ural rally at Willville, in VA, July 9 - 11.  

Thanks for this mention, Steve.  We still haven't made it up there since opening weekend - can't believe this year!  Will didn't give me any dates to put on his website, so I don't know when anything is.  

We're hoping soon...real soon....
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2010, 06:14:13 PM »
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If you can make it though, come on down to the annual Ural rally at Willville, in VA, July 9 - 11.  

Thanks for this mention, Steve.  We still haven't made it up there since opening weekend - can't believe this year!  Will didn't give me any dates to put on his website, so I don't know when anything is.  

We're hoping soon...real soon....

Yeah, your absence has been noted by more than a few.
Will's being slack, try to contact him and get some dates and events to post. He's already hosted a couple of interesting groups this year.

One event I can tell you about is a wedding, at Memories of Dan, between Jeff and Celia (sp). Sounds like everyone's invited, and it should be a fine ol' to do.
Y'all should pencil that weekend in for sure  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2010, 03:34:56 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2010, 06:52:11 AM »
Nice, although the "Buy it Now" price seems a bit steep!