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Author Topic: Jinx?  (Read 2959 times)

trolle

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Jinx?
« on: September 03, 2010, 01:18:00 PM »
One of my riding buddies (each Tuesday) showed up with a newly aquired K1200S last Tuesday - a very beatiful bike, indeed, with a nice sound.

He is a small man but an experienced rider and he rode an R1150 prior to this one, so he handles the K1200 very well.

Nevertheless he misjudged a bend and drove off the road. He was thrown off the bike which somersaulted twice before landing in a grain field. Luckily he wasn't harmed but the bike looked bad.

Now I am worried because this is the second time he has crashed in front of me and I have told him that in the future I will find another place in our Tuesday column.

greetings from a sunny north

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Re: Jinx?
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2010, 02:36:24 PM »
When you said this is the second time he has crashed that raises some questionability of the riders cognitive abilities of road conditions and what's going on around him, you didn't give the circumstances of the first incident,  but I would stay far away from this rider .

Like moving to the back of the line !!!!!!

Is the riders age a possible contributing factor ?
« Last Edit: September 03, 2010, 02:46:16 PM by Bob_Roller »
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Offline Rob Valdez 79 R65

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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2010, 04:08:17 PM »
I have learned, as I "mature", to "ride one's own ride" when riding with others.

When I fell off in 2006, it was because I went into a corner too hot.  I was trying to make sure my fellow rider, who was following me, was having a good time.

After the 2008 incident, I doubt I will ride in any more group rides.  Maybe with one other person, and then it will be a whole new reality of paying attention, for me.

I'm glad your friend wasn't hurt.

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Re: Jinx?
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2010, 05:46:01 PM »
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I have learned, as I "mature", to "ride one's own ride" when riding with others.

When i was on the "Pooh Do" ride i was pushing the bike hard(on the home leg) with a shattered rear wheel bearing throwing me all over the bends i was trying to stay with bigger, newer bikes on twistys at speeds i wouldn't have ridden at if i had been alone. I felt i was riding within my capabilities with 30 years experience but on reflection beyond the limit of the bike.
Lesson being next time ill let them go and get there at my own comfortable speed.
If a rider is having repeated accidents then i would question their ability and stay behind them.....
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« Last Edit: September 03, 2010, 05:47:19 PM by Lucky_Lou »
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Re: Jinx?
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2010, 08:59:30 PM »
From my 1st scenario.




mimmo66

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Re: Jinx?
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2010, 01:55:22 AM »
I lowsided mine when racing ahead on the twisties in front of a VFR800
on a camping trip.

My front end picked up a patch of gravel and it was like being on a wild horse, shacking from left to right without any control.

Luckily for me I only broke a collar bone, and the bike suffered only minor scuffing and were able to complete the trip.

The lesson I learned when I ride with friends is to take it easy, don't want to ruin a fun activity and worry other people for my wreckless riding anymore!

Domenico >:(

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Re: Jinx?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2010, 05:19:37 AM »
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I have learned, as I "mature", to "ride one's own ride" when riding with others.

Couldn't agree more.

While I haven't fallen off for more than 30 years (went down on diesel outside a factory gate on a T140V) there's no question that the nearest I've come to it recently it was when trying to ride at someone else's pace. Went into a left hand bend too fast with a car coming the other way and nowhere to go, had to lay it down a lot more than I'm used to and pray for grip. Scared the pants off me - never again.

trolle I don't know if your friend was leading or following.  I think it's safer to follow with less pressure to ride faster than your own pace. Vanity is less likely to get you in trouble as no one's watching.  

« Last Edit: September 04, 2010, 05:27:20 AM by bhodgson »
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2010, 10:50:59 AM »
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From my 1st scenario.
Rob a picture says a thousand words...........time to buy a razor lol [smiley=beehive.gif]
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2010, 11:00:19 AM »
The scariest moment I've had on a motorcycle is when I thought a friend of mine had flown over a cliff behind me and I was sure he was dead.  

Mark is fast and we were out "sporting" on a bunch of tiny roads in western Oregon with a couple other friends, on the way to a rally.  We emerged from a forest into a huge clear cut area, which gave more forward view, so I shifted into third because I could see the series of esses in front of me open up.  There was a cliff on the left side of the road that fell to the valley below.  

Mark was right behind me, I could tell he was close because I kept getting flickers in my mirrors from his headlight.  The last wiggle of the esses went behind a small bluff to the right, but when I got close I found that it was a 90 degree turn, so I braked hard before it and then leaned hard and gassed it out of it.  I immediately realized that there were no more flashes in my mirrors!   :o

I got to the next turn where there was enough room and made a U, rode back up and parked.  I could already see the furrow that a cylinder on Mark's R850R had dug in the gravel leading to the edge.  There was real horror in the pit of my stomach.  It was easily a couple hundred feet to the bottom.

I got off my bike and started to remove my helmet when... Mark scrambled up over the edge of the cliff.  I was never so happy to see someone in my life!

It turned out that there was a shelf about a dozen feet down with a bunch of sapling trees growing from it.  Mark and the 850 had landed softly in these trees, just missing both a large stump and also a rotting car.  

The other two guys caught up to us and then went for help.  They returned with a guy with a boom truck.  Mark climbed back down and tied off the cable.  The bike came up easy and it was lowered to the road.  The only damage was to the plastic cowling around the headlight, and was fixed with some duct tape.

RIDE YOUR OWN RIDE.



PS:  This, and another experience, convinced Mark to take up vintage racing.  Now he's getting podium finishes in the Honda 160 class.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2010, 11:02:53 AM by darrylri »

trolle

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Re: Jinx?
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2010, 01:39:24 PM »
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you didn't give the circumstances of the first incident

Time of year: April 1, Temp: 50F, dry roads. We had just started out and done about three quarters of a mile when his bike made a low slide leaving a roundabout. Speed about 18 mph, no gravel or oil on the surface of the road but cold tires. The driver broke his ankle and had to spend a couple of month with his leg in plaster.

I agree that one should not exceed ones capabilities when driving in a group but on the other hand my experience is that when I ride behind an experienced rider I find that I dare more because I can see how he negotiates the bends. To me one of the aspects of safe riding is having tried your limits, which poses a kind of paradox: To ride safely you have to ride dangerously  ;)

greetings from a sunny but cold north (37F this morning)

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Re: Jinx?
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2010, 01:45:33 PM »
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A new fashion in tatoos?

greetings from a sunny and cold north
« Last Edit: September 04, 2010, 01:47:57 PM by trolle »

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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2010, 11:28:22 PM »
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A new fashion in tatoos?


Probably just as painful!

Darwin_R65

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Re: Jinx?
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2010, 06:52:13 AM »
That photo is Ned Kelly without his armour.

:)

You don't own an all steel helmet in a cylindrical shape at all?

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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2010, 03:25:39 AM »
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That photo is Ned Kelly without his armour.
:)
You don't own an all steel helmet in a cylindrical shape at all?

LOL!  I had to do a bit of Googling.  Looks like Oz had it's own Wild West!


(clickable pic)


No, this is what I looked like when I went down (or rather, getting ready for the ride home).


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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2010, 01:46:42 PM »
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That photo is Ned Kelly without his armour.
:)
You don't own an all steel helmet in a cylindrical shape at all?

LOL!  I had to do a bit of Googling.  Looks like Oz had it's own Wild West!
Never a truer word said.. heres a great film if you havent seen it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Proposition
Lou
« Last Edit: September 06, 2010, 01:47:28 PM by Lucky_Lou »
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