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Offline Bob_Roller

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Electrical Utility Rates
« on: May 20, 2008, 12:30:13 PM »
Recieved notification from the local electrical utility provider, Salt River Project (SRP), and my electric rates are going up just short of 10% in June.

It reminded me of the electrical useage audit that I did a few years ago, to see where my useage was going to.

There are a lot of 'phantom' electrical users in your home.

Majority of items still use a fair amount of power even though turned 'off'.

I put all of my audio / video appliances on a 'power strip' that I can turn off when not in use.

Same with the computer and all of the support components ( printer, speakers, scanner, etc....)

If you have an electric water heater, get a digital timer for it, no sense heating water when you're not home.

Replace incandescent lamps with the new generation of compact flourecsent lights (c f l 's).

The transformer for my door bell, was rated at 25 watts, that translates into a little over $20 a year for power for the door bell, I installed a battery powered door bell, and change the batteries once a year.

I used an electrical device called 'kill-a-watt', you plug this into a wall outlet, plug the appliance into it, and it will give you the power comsumption of the unit.

I've reduced my power consumption by about one third.

So take a look around your residence, I bet you can cut your electrical useage noticeably without impacting your lifestyle at all.
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Re: Electrical Utility Rates
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2008, 01:01:30 PM »
How much do you pay per KWH?  It's about 14-15 cents here...
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Re: Electrical Utility Rates
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2008, 01:17:19 PM »
I've got a variable rate, it's called 'Time Of Use' rate plan, the 'off peak' hours are 5.77 cents / kwh, and the 'on peak' hours ( 1pm-8pm Mon-Fri) are 17.51 cents / kwh.
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Re: Electrical Utility Rates
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2008, 01:53:37 PM »
Bob,
Does this Kill-o-Watt device measure the power used by "vampire" loads. By that I mean the voltage drawn by things that are supposedly off but still draw power to keep themselves in a "ready state".
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nevermind, found it http://www.p3international.com/products/special/P4400/P4400-CE.html
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Re: Electrical Utility Rates
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2008, 01:57:35 PM »
Rich,

If you can seperate the components from each other, it will show you the power comsumption of the individual unit.

I borrowed this device from a co-worker a few years ago, if memory serves me correctly, Harbor Freight had a similar device not too long in the recent past.

An on-line site has this item for $24 plus shipping.

http://smarthome.com/

The price has come down a lot since I looked there, back about 5 years ago, it was over $50, that's why I borrowed one, instead of purchasing it myself.
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Re: Electrical Utility Rates
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2008, 10:46:51 PM »
Our rates here in NH vary by season as well, and there are several power utility companies that cause price variations as well, but on average we are
about 16 cents per KWH now.   Winter times see higher rates.

The problem with all the vampire loads is that they are EVERYWHERE now - EVERYTHING with a remote control, and the microwave, coffeemaker, toaster oven, VCR, TIVO/satellite TV receivers, TVs, computers, etc.    The nuisance with reprogramming the TV and resetting the VCR clocks, etc. are an inducement to NOT turn these things off, but I make a habit to at least make sure our computers & monitors are completely turned off when not in use.    I found that replacing 12 incandescent bulbs in the house that are often turned on with 12 CFLs reduced our electric bill an average of $10/month.
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Re: Electrical Utility Rates
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2008, 05:40:33 PM »
When we bought our new home some 23 years ago, I installed full coverage solar window screens on all the west-facing windows. Remarkable reduction in heat transfer even with thermo-pane glass. Less load on the AC unit. Lots of neighbors asked about them and followed suit. The originals are still on and working.

Turbine attic vents also reduced the attic temperatures and further reduced AC loads.

Still attempting to convince my wife that it's not necessary to air condition her closets. Imelda Marcos got nuttin' on this gal. Shut the doors, sweetie!

OK... a true story here; I swear.  Two sons three years apart living at home and going to school and college. My refrigerator had zerks on the hinges and the washer/dryer never shut off. Anyway...

Both moved into bachelor pads within 60 days of each other. I was working in the yard when I noticed an electrical utility pickup in front of the house. Meter guy was looking at my "money machine".

"Whatcha' doing", asks I. Fella sez my electric usage has dropped dramatically and he came out to see if I had installed a "brake" on the meter.

Told him the above story and he said, "Never mind" and drove off.

Moral of the story... get your kids to move out!


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Re: Electrical Utility Rates
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2008, 06:01:58 PM »
I installed sunshades on the east, south and west facing windows, and also planted grape vines on the east and west sides of the house, and they shade the sides of the building from the brunt of the hottest time of day.

Putting a digital timer on the electric water heater, made the biggest impact on usage, the water heater uses 10 kw of power, I've now got it set for 35 minutes a day, just before I get up and go to work in the morning, rest of the day, at this time of year, you really don't need to heat the water, as it comes out of the tap at 75-80 F., and by August, the 'cold' water is 90 F.!
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Re: Electrical Utility Rates
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2008, 07:36:23 PM »
Monte, it was surprising how frugal our linoleum-lizards became after they moved out and started paying for their own juice.

I think the biggest improvement I have verified is the use of the Tek-Shield radient barrier decking last time the house was re-roofed.  I figure the price difference was neutralized after the first cooling season.
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Re: Electrical Utility Rates
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2008, 07:47:58 PM »
I bought a new refrigerator last year (bottom drawer freezer rather than upper freezer).  I immediately saw a decrease in my electrical usage.  A few months later I started switching out my light bulbs to CFLs and I saw another decrease in my electrical usage.  It really works!  

I've got a gas water heater and a gas wall heater and a small fireplace.  Neither the wall heater nor the fireplace are very efficient.  If I can figure out how to do it inexpensively, I'll change the fireplace to a gas log fireplace.  My neighbor did that and her place is warmer and the heating is more efficient.

I don't have AC either.  I have a small swamp cooler for the few days it's hot enough here to need cooling.  

I don't know if any of the changes actually affected how much I'm paying though.  But I have a small place and my highest PG&E bill in the middle of winter when it's really cold and dark is not over $70.  So, that's the solution - Get a really small house!   ;)

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Re: Electrical Utility Rates
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2008, 11:04:00 AM »
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Monte, it was surprising how frugal our linoleum-lizards became after they moved out and started paying for their own juice.

Amazing, ain't it, Justin! And very true. Right, parents?

My dad used to tell my brother and I, "I wouldn't take a million bucks for you guys. But I wouldn't give a nickel for another one just like you."

Revenge is mine, sayeth the grandfather (me)... Four grandkids all under the age of six. Lynn and I are spoiling them rotten and returning them to their parents. That's so wrong, I know. But I'm evil ;D


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Re: Electrical Utility Rates
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2008, 11:37:59 AM »
I like CFL's but I am concernerd about the mercury.  So far there is no way that I know of to recycle them.

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Re: Electrical Utility Rates
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2008, 07:40:15 PM »
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I like CFL's but I am concernerd about the mercury.  So far there is no way that I know of to recycle them.


My employer  (Southwest Airlines) has recently provided us with disposal bins for flourescent lamps, I'm going to ask around, and see if anyone knows what happens to the lamps after they are picked up.

We go through about 300 lamps a week here in Phoenix, on our Boeing 737 aircraft.

There are around 150 flourescent lamps on the average 737, and we operate 530 aircraft, we use a lot of flourescent lamps !
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Re: Electrical Utility Rates
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2008, 08:58:41 PM »
Our local hardware stores that sell CFLs will take old ones for proper recycling (up to 6 bulbs per customer@ 1 time) and our town
recycling center takes flourescent and CFL bulbs, too.   Ask around, or perhaps start a petition in your area !
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Re: Electrical Utility Rates
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2008, 08:51:04 PM »
I finally found out that there is a company in Phoenix, that recycles flourescent lamps, they remove the trace amount of mercury from the lamp, then recycle the glass and metal components, they charge 10 cents per lamp .
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'82 R65 LS
'84 R65 LS
'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
'02 R1150R
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