Shootings at Va Tech....

[Ed Miller]

airhead, we've had guns around here for two hundred years.  These things have been going on for what, 25 years?  It's more reasonable to ask what ELSE is different in that time, than to point at the presence of weapons.  Before anybody mentions high capacity semiautomatic weapons, I hasten to add that the Colt 1911 has been around since, uh, well a long time ago.  

For some reason now some people think it's OK to go around killing other people at random.  40 years ago people didn't think that.

[Justin B.]

I won't get into a gun control debate due to the fact that 99.99% of rabid anti-gunners will not listen to reason or believe statistics that haven't been cooked by "The Brady Bunch" so all it does is raise my blood pressure.  I'll get my chuckle when I see the piece on the news about them being tied up with duct tape while a couple of scumbags make off with all of their goodies.  AND the scumbags then get caught by an 83 year old Granny down the block who pops a cap on one of them and holds the other 'til the fuzz gets there!  I heard about an octogenarian a few days ago who caught some creeps stealing something from her property/house, they told her that if she'd get out of their way they would just leave.  She didn't buy off on that idea so she steadied her aim (using her walker) and shot their tires out!  Give 'em hell, grann!

I truly believe that there is a certain percentage of people that are either, deranged, 100% self-centered, or just plain bad.  Society used to keep the brakes on these butt-heads by not putting up with their bull$hit.  But, it is to the point, now, that everything always has to be blamed on some outside action/force/reason and too many people in positions of power refuse to admit that there are just plain BAD people in the world.  We don't stigmatize aberrant behavior the way we used to, instead the pointy-heads try to come up with ludicrous reasons why the rest of us are at fault for some maggot turning bad because he was misunderstood, or something.  I truly believe we are seeing (at least partially) the results of "spare the rod, spoil the child" and it'll eventually be our downfall.

Damn, this'll probably keep me awake half the night...

[nhmaf]

Justin -

I also read that story - it was a former Miss America (1944) who held the robbers
at bay with her .38 !   I've known a few grannies up here with similar
no-nonsense attitudes that can look after themselves pretty well.

Don't get all worked up on this - one of the great things about this country is that
we all often don't all agree on anything, but we generally seem to find a good middle ground
most of the time.   History has proven time and again that a democracy like ours
is often slow and inefficient, but beats the heck out of most any alternatives !
I wouldn't want to live in any other place.

So, take a few deep breaths.   Hey, I bought a nice Ruger Blackhawk in 45 Colt last month for
punching paper and hunting - do you happen to have any favorite load recipes you're willing
to share ?   You can PM me if you like.

[Ed Miller]

I won't get into a gun control debate due to the fact that 99.99% of rabid anti-gunners will not listen to reason or believe statistics that haven't been cooked by "The Brady Bunch" so all it does is raise my blood pressure.  

C'mon Justin, are we really any better?  

[Justin B.]

I will at least listen to somebody who is on the opposite side of an issue IF they are persuasive enough and have REAL data to back up their conclusions...

[Justin B.]

nhmaf, sorry, can't help you with the .45 long Colt, never got around to owning one of them but I would think .44 special loads would be similar.  I'll see if I can find my .44 special loading notes

[NC Steve]

Testify, Brother Justin!
That's why I've stayed out of this one too: my blood pressure's already high, and I kinda need to avoid having a stroke anytime soon. And in my nearly 51 years, I've never "converted" an anti-gunner, or been "saved" by one of them either. You're either "fer" or "agin" it.

So, let me just say that I call my Sig P228 "American Express", because I "don't leave home without it..."

[Justin B.]

Amen on that...

[Jon_P]

i cant imagine the school life my children face today. it is so different from when i was in, and it doesnt feel that long ago for me (dont ask my kids that)

i grew up all over mostly overseas, when my dad retired from usaf i was just starting high school. i had shoot alot of skeet and trap during the summers and came to love hunting. i would get up early go hunting before school, show up at school still in my camo! with a gun with ammo in the car trunk, and once in a while forget to remove my cleaning knife from my belt. the teachers would ask for it and tell me to pick it up at school. if my son did that today he would be going to jail till he was 21!

now i have spent enough time growing up in a military home and joining the military and serving in world conflicts using weapons for what they where meant to do kill people, i do have a hard time picking one up, and even harder time teaching my sons to hunt. will i teach them? yes.

the thing i am trying to say is once I have used a weapon in a time of combat it is hard to hold it in a time of relaxation again. i would never ask to take away that right of another even if i made it for myself.

[Justin B.]

Jon, you just have to remind yourself, and make sure the young-un understands, that a weapon is just a tool.  No more, no less and has no intent, neither evil or saintly.  Most tools can be used for multiple purposes and care must be taken in their application as bad things can happen with any tool if misused.  I guess this is the thing that anti-gunners fail, or refuse to acknowledge - the weapon didn't do anything, it was the loose nut behind the trigger that was to blame.  If the creep didn't have a firearm there are a multitude of common every-day objects that can be used to maim and kill just as effectively.  One only needs to look to Oklahoma City to remember what a few bags of fertilizer can accomplish.

We are living in some very sad times indeed and I'm forever grateful that I was lucky enough to get my two kids through school with minimum difficulty and in one piece.  Their time was pretty rough compared to when I went to school and I have already told them that don't envy what lies ahead of them one bit.  My first grandson came into the world a couple weeks ago and I already feel sorry for the little critter...

[Semper Gumby]

It's not the Gun....



It's the brain behind the gun that is dangerous.



In Dekalb county Georgia a few years ago, a man walked into an elementary school with a claw hammer and started hitting people.  I suppose we should ban hammers.  All the Georgia gunlaws prevented was to make sure there would not be a law abiding armed person to shoot this deranged man before he seriously hurt three or four people (including children).  

Liberals are such hippocrits.  They, on one hand, want to take away our guns while their friends in Hollywood pump out the most violent crap the world has ever seen.

Why people would consider watching murder, torture and rape for the sake of "entertainment" is beyond me.  

[Justin B.]

That's interesting, when I was stationed at Hunter AAF, GA was the easiest place I'd seen to get a concealed carry permit.  I went down, forked over $20 (I think) and 90 days later after a background check I had my little card - that was over 25 years ago.

But, more importantly, what is that gizmo!?  It looks kinda familiar but I can't place it.

[airhead]

The kind of violence I was bought up on!!
It's a Dalek (from the TV show 'Dr Who'), the evil invention of Davros, a crippled and deranged scientist who believed mass extermination with weapons was the only answer!!!!



Bill...............;-)

[Semper Gumby]

About all the media strangness I can stand if fell swoop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzrIGtTYPJ8

[nhmaf]

Aha !

Another "Whovian" fan among us !!!

Hang onto that - is it cast iron ?    Could be worth some $$ ...