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Hello, new r65 owner
« on: December 08, 2010, 11:05:19 AM »
I'm a newer rider but a budding bike whore. I just picked up an 84 r65 from a buddy who agreed to let someone he knew store it in his barn. 20 years ago! I have a friend who is a motorcycle mechanic, but not particularly familiar with BMWs. It was driven in 20 years ago, it looks to be all there, But I have to assume no particular prep was done, not knowing otherwise. Any tips appreciated, other than changing the oil and gas and cleaning the carbs. I will probably pick it up tonight and haul it over to his shop, I'll try to remember to take a pic or 2.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2010, 11:06:34 AM by trips »
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Re: Hello, new r65 owner
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2010, 11:16:50 AM »
You will likely need to replace some items made of rubber which have perished especially the tires.

Steering head and swinging arm bearing grease may have gone hard and will need a clean and re-grease.

Wheel bearings may need fresh grease as a minimum.

Brake fluid may have turned to jelly and even if not will need changing and most likely a brake caliper overhaul will be required which may be just a clean and new seals.

Front fork oil will need to be changed. Maybe a strip and clean required.

Rear brake cam spindle may be seized but should be cleaned and re-greased anyway.

May sound like a lot of work but material costs at least should be minimal. If you are paying somone for the labout then that's different. Any bike of this age whether used or not tends to need all these things doing if they have not been done in the last 20 years. Mine did †


« Last Edit: December 08, 2010, 11:32:50 AM by bhodgson »
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Re: Hello, new r65 owner
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2010, 11:23:40 AM »
Welcome..... you've come to the right place, ask any thing ..there are no dumb questions here......One of the first things to do will to clean out the fuel tank (dont just change the fuel) as the liner tends to degrade my bike was stood for only!!!!! ten years but i had to steam clean the tank as part of my rebuild The other major problem is likely to be the brakes, you will have to strip and rebuild the calipers, I stripped my cylinders off and replaced the piston rings honed the cylinders(not sure you need to do that with an 84 as the cylinders are lined i think??, someone chip in on this one) replaced the associated seals and gaskets resetting the valve clearances ect on the way and of course among all the other bits and bobs to sort..... the $3000 "O" ring more later.
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Re: Hello, new r65 owner
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2010, 06:06:34 PM »
LOL, I think I encountered the $3000 o ring article/post, it may have actually lead me here. Thanks much.
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Re: Hello, new r65 owner
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2010, 01:41:56 PM »
What a shame, the worlds biggest loser, Sideshow Bob, who ended up getting in the middle of this, moved the bike, apparently on it's side, and dented in the side of the tank. Friggen thing didn't even need paint, just cleaning and waxing. Friggin' moron.
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Re: Hello, new r65 owner
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2010, 05:28:49 PM »
Trips, all of the above is good advice but don't neglect to clean the critical electrical connections also.  Corrosion is an odious fact of life that sneaks up on all of us, even with bikes that are being used.  I just spent several hours going through the starter and wiring terminals on my '75 R90/6 cleaning off some corrosion.  Time well spent.  Just remember to take notes and photos on all of the disassembly that you do.  Send us some pics, even if a moron did dent the tank.
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Re: Hello, new r65 owner
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2010, 11:11:38 PM »
My cycle also sat for about 20 years....but didnít come through it as well as yours did. Heat rotted everything rubber, mice ate the seat, the paint on the gas tank peeled, the gas and brake fluid turned to jelly. The tank was cleaned, re coated. Get rid of the brake lines....put new ones on. The brake system was cleaned out.....but not good enough....all this goo showed up again. Master cylinder replaced, new...... well just about everything connected to the brakes had to be replaced..... twice.  The brake system was my Achilles heel. So, take care there. But count your self lucky.........I have this very cool 1980 R65 with about 18,000 true miles on it. It runs like a top, starts easy, leaks nothing, burns little oil.....is damn near a perfect machine. She has many years.....miles left in her. Welcome to the clan!

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Re: Hello, new r65 owner
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2010, 04:58:24 AM »
Scotty. I want your sidecar!. Going to take some pics today, change oil, and see if she starts.  Really pissed about the tank, as it was perfect, but I'll get over it, LOL.
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Re: Hello, new r65 owner
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2010, 09:15:48 PM »
Huh, it's an 80, not an 84. Didn't try to start it, but motor turns over easy, has compression and good vacuum at intake. Took carbs off and removed airbox, with associated mouse nests, walnuts, etc. Made up shopping list, took some pics. Drove 3 hours through blizzard tonight, too tired to resize and post pics, hopefully tomorrow.

PS Found owners manual, tool kit, functioning air pump, service records and owners log book under seat, original owner seems to have taken good care of her for the first ten years,  :D
« Last Edit: December 13, 2010, 09:30:10 PM by trips »
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2004 K1200GT
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Re: Hello, new r65 owner
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2010, 08:35:39 AM »
Well, it's nice to see the quotes on the internet that the 1980 r65 was the "worst BMW ever made", LOL, but usually there's the added comment "but still pretty good. Shot of the bike, seat is perfect, which is nice, frames there for side panniers, but they are long gone, not sure if it's possible to find them used. Frames are rusty but salvageable. Hmm, I'm mostly used to vbulletin templates for forums, I don't see a button to pre-attach links so I can insert them inline, I guess I'll leave them as thumbnails for now.

 Second shot shows tank damage, what a damn shame, inside of tank looks good, too, no rust, just a bit of tarnish/varnish on it. My buddy DT who is helping me said sometimes you can put air pressure in them and pop them out, but the design of these tanks aren't good for that, it would probably split the seams before it popped the dent. He's apparently more familiar than BMWs than I thought, he also knew that the carbs are right and left handed, and parts should be kept separate. Said if it can't be pulled out with cups, maybe drill holes and pull it out, then braze shut. Hate to sound like a broken record, LOL, but what a shame.

Front shot, drop (or more likely he was dumb enough to move it laying on it's side) also shifted fairing and bent turn signal, but doesn't look hard to straighten. Rash on other side was there already, and engine guard on that side is bent a bit also, but it did it's job, stopped 1/2 from jugs. Windshield was missing already, but other than the windshield and side panniers, it looks like everything is there.

Wow, that's not a reflection in next pic, that's a pile of aluminum oxide in intake to carbs, hard to believe it could accumulate like that. It amazed me that other than a throttle cable nipple at the carbs, no fasteners were froze up, everything came apart nice, even where there were dissimilar metals. Even the battery box bolts under the battery backed off easy, a real miracle.

The mice had a regular hotel in the airbox, hope they found a new home, LOL.

Well, here's the shopping list so far, just the basics, any suggestions for sources appreciated: 1 throttle cable, oil filter, 2 intake boots, carb kit, manual (Haynes, Clymer, or BMW best?), master cylinder kit (Locked solid), air filter. Battery, gas line, and spark plugs I can get local.

I was going to restore my 1978 CB750K this winter, but it's a fine daily driver, so it will have to wait now. BTW, I only paid $300 for this, plus a junk Kaw CSR305 someone farmer welded trying to make a chopper out of, that I can part out, so I think I did OK
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Re: Hello, new r65 owner
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2010, 09:39:47 AM »
One thing I noticed in the fourth picture, the airbox has the emissions plumbing that normally didn't get installed until the '81 model year bikes .

What are the last seven characters of the bikes VIN ?

I'm just wondering if the bike was some of the last bikes for the '80 model year and they ran out of the '80 airboxes and instead installed an '81 airbox instead .

Definitely a 'barn find' bike !!!!
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'82 R65 LS ?
'84 R65 LS
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I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!

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Re: Hello, new r65 owner
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2010, 10:34:12 AM »
IT *might* still be an 81 model - it appears to also have the rectangular master cylinder from the 81-84 models years as well.   Is the speedometer an 85 MPH limit or a 140 (or 120)?

It could possibly be a 'hybrid' - the only way to know is to get the serial numbers off the frame on the right side near the steering head stock and from the engine case above the oil dipstick.   Also, look for a thin aluminum foil sticker on the lower right frame rail below the right side carb - the 81+ bikes in the USA had the official 17 digit VIN on that sticker (if it is there - protect it at all costs to ensure the ability to register/title it again)!
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Re: Hello, new r65 owner
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2010, 10:38:52 AM »
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Re: Hello, new r65 owner
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2010, 10:50:21 AM »
Bike was made in 03/80 .

Definitely not a cross over model year bike with a March build date .

After 30 years hard to tell what has been done to the bike since it left the factory .
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'82 R65 LS ?
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Re: Hello, new r65 owner
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2010, 10:52:01 AM »
Foil sticker is there but about impossible to read, it's in fine condition, but the printing is "dot matrix" instead of solid letters, you'd almost have to pull the jug to get a good look at it. The original owner, a local lawyer, built a shed in a friend's yard specifically to store the bike in 91, and never came back. My friend actually contacted him this summer, he said keep it, he had no idea what ever happened to the title, and was not willing to apply, but told my friend he was welcome to. Unfortunately a local ne'r do well, Sideshow Bob, AKA Shady Bob, got ahold of it before me, or I could have probably had it for free, or for dumping a load of firewood at his house or something. This guy thought he had gold, naturally, but neither the wit nor motivation to do anything with it. I should have found it odd tat he suddenly agreed to take $300 for it, til I saw the damage since last time I had seen the bike a couple months ago. This bike only ever had one owner, and it looks like I have every receipt for every service, even a temporary repair when he dropped it in Vermont, along with his notes to the mechanic about the temporary repair. Pretty sure in NY, if it hasn't been registered in 7 years, you can take a rubbing of the serial # on engine and †get a replacement title for about $50.

New OEM tank is actually available at bikebandit, in primer, "only" $754, LOL.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2010, 10:53:38 AM by trips »
1980 BMW r65/side car
2010 Triumph Rocket III Touring
2002 Triumph Sprint ST 955i
2004 K1200GT
2004 CBR1000RR
1998 Honda Super Blackbird
2001 Triumph TT600