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Offline montmil

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She called me a "Biker"
« on: April 19, 2014, 02:19:25 PM »
For as long as I call recall, I have been attracted to "things" that make a lotta noise. As such, I have worn audio assistance units, ie: hearing aids, for several years. I grew up during a time when warnings of hearing loss and hearing protection were unheard of. Too bad for me. Move along. Nothing to see here.

A few of my interests include, but are not limited to:
     52+ years messing with motorcycles, both on-road and off-road. Competition and street.
     Power tools. Usually those that are quite loud. Routers, saws, loud air compressors n' stuff.
     Aircraft. My flying years, both General Aviation and Uncle Sugar, took a hefty toll. Well worth it.
     Automobiles are meant to be seen and heard.
     My shootin' irons. One must remain proficient.
     A screeching ex-wife. We'll leave it at that, yes?

So. I rode one of the R65s, with those sweet Norton Peashooter muffs, to a follow-up appointment with my new audiologist. I walked in carrying my helmet and wearing the rest of my gear...

"Mister Miller. You're a biker!" says the receptionist lady. Identical and immediate response from the lady audio doctor.

As gentle as I could, I did reassure them that I am not a "biker". Never have been nor will I ever be. I am a motorcyclist and there is a huge difference.

    
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Re: She called me a "Biker"
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2014, 05:04:30 PM »
Well put. I have shared the same self view for years. There is indeed a world of difference.
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Re: She called me a "Biker"
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2014, 06:20:31 PM »
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As gentle as I could, I did reassure them that I am not a "biker".

There isn't a clear distinction between the terms Biker & Motorcyclist in our community or out.  

One of my favorite magazines from years ago was Road Rider. They to referred to themselves as Bikers, I never could understand it. A lot of the folks at Road Rider were from Southern California too, home of the Hells Angels and other assorted Biker outfits. Seems they would have known the difference, huh.

I suspect some or many folks have never seen a "real" Biker. They are some scary sum bitches.........
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Offline montmil

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Re: She called me a "Biker"
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2014, 11:00:05 AM »
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As gentle as I could, I did reassure them that I am not a "biker".

There isn't a clear distinction between the terms Biker & Motorcyclist in our community or out.  

One of my favorite magazines from years ago was Road Rider. They to referred to themselves as Bikers, I never could understand it. A lot of the folks at Road Rider were from Southern California too, home of the Hells Angels and other assorted Biker outfits. Seems they would have known the difference, huh.

I suspect some or many folks have never seen a "real" Biker. They are some scary sum bitches.........

To a point, I agree with you, wilcom.

However, image is a huge component within the 'biker" genre, especially among those with a so-called mid-life crisis, Walter Mitty midset. I can easily identify these types at most any Texas barbecue joint worth it's smoke.

They dress up in costume as real bad azz hombres. Ride up in a small herd on the latest model H-D of choice and even go to the outhouse together. True story from a visit to Clark's Outpost in Tioga, Texas - the birthplace of Gene Autry and home of some outstanding 'cue...

The Fearful Foursome sat down at a booth right next to us. First order of 'gang' business was pulling out their electronics and attempting to schedule their next ride. One guy actually said, "Can't make it next Saturday. My son has a soccer game." I nearly snorted brisket out my nose. The corker was that each of the four 'bikers' ordered milk to drink. If I'm lyin', I'm dyin'.

Point being, these individuals are all poseurs, trying to be something other than themselves. I even kinda feel sorry for them until I remembered what a bad name and public image they present of real motorcycle enthusiasts.
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Re: She called me a "Biker"
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2014, 03:43:01 AM »
I am of the same opinion.  I am just a normal 'joe' who happens to like to ride a motorcycle, on occasion.  All the other baggage, you can keep.

There is a lot more to me than my motorcycle.  

Just the other day, saw a 'biker' turn up at a gas station on his Harley thing.  He was trying very hard - perhaps too hard - Nazi coal skuttle helmet, Iron Crosses on his clothes and bike, goatee beard, unshaven generally - dirty denim/leather mix.  Badge.  I wasn't sure if I should burst out laughing or run for cover.  He was barely 5ft and old enough to be my dad.

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Re: She called me a "Biker"
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2014, 09:45:52 AM »
I have been staying on the sidelines of this one but I need to climb up on my soapbox now. Agree with me or not I don't really care but this is a touchy subject to me.

I have been riding motorcycles most of my life and I consider myself both a motorcyclist and a biker, I don't see a distinction between the two. Placing a label because of what a person rides or how they dress or act is wrong. Period. Full stop.

Saying that "bikers" all ride Harleys and are dirty, scary sum bitches is like saying all BMW riders are effete, look down their noses at you snobs and that all sport bike riders are egotistical adrenal junkies. They all share one common characteristic, they like to be on two wheels. Period. Full stop. Whether they chose to identify themselves as motorcyclists or bikers makes no difference at all.

This past weekend was a big day for the Christian world. I attended an Easter Biker Celebration celebrated by a good friend, Chaplain Fred, the Biker's Pastor. He is a Vietnam Vet chaplain and has ridden his entire life yet he does not look like a pastor but like a "biker". Over 300 people showed up on a rainy Sunday to share a faith and a common bond of being on two wheels.

Were they "bikers" or motorcyclists? Does it matter? They were almost all veterans from every conflict from Vietnam to Irag/Afganistan and yes they mostly rode Harleys. My R65 and a fellow on a GS were the only two not on some form of V-twin. And yes some where covered in ink, almost all had on some denim and leather and most would not fit the image of polite society.

There were people from all walks of life and all social classes yet you could not tell from looking at them. When word circulated through the crowd that one of the families there had fallen on hard times, every pocket in the place opened up and they left with money for their rent and groceries for their children. No one asked, it just happened. Was that a motorcyclist gesture or a biker one? The "poseur" who couldn't make it the next weekend because of his son's soccer game had his priorities in order, his son came first.

A few years ago I was on a ride up the east coast with a friend of mine. I was on my Kbike and he and his girlfriend were on his Harley. Somewhere is NJ he lost an oil seal on his Harley and we were stranded by the side of the road. A couple of "bikers", on Harleys and wearing Hells Angels colors stopped, called a friend and 15 minutes later a "brother" in a pickup showed up, loaded him up and by the time we got to their clubhouse the part was there and we had a cold beer while they fixed his bike. Was I scared? You're damn right I was. Were they scary sum bitch "bikers". Absolutely. Yet they were willing to help out someone else on two wheels.

Call me a biker, I take that as a compliment. Call me a motorcyclist, that is a choice.

I got it all out. I hate labels because they fit no one. If I offended anyone please accept my apology. I am down off the soapbox now.
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Re: She called me a "Biker"
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2014, 10:09:14 AM »
I think alot of people outside of the motorcycling world, and from some of these anecdotes even within the realm of motorcycles, consider anyone with a bike, jacket, and helmet to be a 'biker'.   In some cases, I think it is simple naivete of the speaker, not knowing that in may circumstances, many people recognize that there is a difference between the two, often of considerable proportions.   For others, I think the "what's in a name" notion applies, and they don't feel that there is a need to fit to one label or another.

I heard an interesting story on the radio a little while ago, concerning race and a bunch of kids from urban schools, and how the perception and importance of race is changing in the next generation or two.   When interviewed, the kids - would not self identify themselves as "black", "white", Asian, Native American, etc. regardless of their physical attributes.  They all simply said that they were of mixed race, and they were fine with that, without having to self identify with a particular genotype.   They became quite perplexed when they were made to choose and check off just one box in a medical form that was to specify their race, where I would suspect that many of us older folks would simply have checked one without thinking about it.   All of these kids, selected "Other", and rejected the notion of having to self identify as a specific genotype/label.   From the mouths of "babes", such as these, we all may learn something, I think.
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Re: She called me a "Biker"
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2014, 11:03:31 AM »
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Were they "bikers" or motorcyclists? Does it matter?

To me, yes it does.

When you say "biker" to me my mental image is  one that I DO NOT want to be associated with.

Not that there isn't a streak of kindness in most souls that walk the earth,  but the ax murderer doesn't get a "pass" just because he is kind to animals.

 Where I'm from, Southern California, the term biker refers to a group of really nasty assed people, ones that would sell your daughter into slavery, sell drugs, chop cars, kick your ass for a casual glance in their direction. That is my frame of reference.

That's the reason some of us make that distinction between Motorcyclists and Bikers.......... So if you look the part, your getting the label from me.

" You meet the nicest people on a Honda" was a slogan from  Honda back when I started riding(60's) They to were trying to make that distinction back then. They were saying " if you ride my Honda you won't be thought of as a Jerk" It still hold true today 50 years later.

I'm not saying  there arn't a couple of real A-holes riding around on Honda's. LOL



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Re: She called me a "Biker"
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2014, 11:08:38 AM »
The "biker" perception that some people have is an interesting one, and one that I have used to my advantage.

I have been riding for over 30 years.  When I first started out, I usually wore blue jeans and a brown suade jacket.  Around here, the car drivers were very inconsiderate, and would crowd me and/or cut me off on a regular basis.   Eventually, I got a black leather jacket, which I wore with my blue jeans.  Still getting cut off, etc.  Then one day I happened to be wearing a black pair of jeans with the leather jacket when I was out riding, and suddenly the people in cars started keeping their distance more, and were not cutting me off and being the jerks I was used to.  After a couple of rides dressed like this, I figured they thought that because I was wearing black and had a leather jacket that I was some kind of mean biker.  For me, the image worked to my advantage, even without patches, tatoos, shortie helmets with stickers, etc.  YMMV.
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Re: She called me a "Biker"
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2014, 02:33:39 AM »
Down here we used to have Bikies - they were in gangs, rode noisy dirty British bikes, had dirty long hair, dirty grease stained cloths, a leather jacket with a cut off DJ and were totally unsocal.

On the other hand we rode noisy dirty British bikes, had dirty long hair, dirty grease stained cloths, a leather jacket with a cut off DJ and were totally unsocal.  But we weren't in a gang - so we called ourselves bikers.

I'm just an old guy on a bike these days, I'm ok with being classed as a biker.

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Re: She called me a "Biker"
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2014, 04:50:28 AM »
Whilst the 'media' still seeks to tar everyone with the same brush, whether you are a member of a 'bike gang' or just an just an enthusiast, there are going to be people, like me, who seek to distance themselves from the more extreme elements.

It does not matter whether the people are good and honorable in their outlook.  It is how they want to be perceived by the uninformed.  How they present themselves and how they behave.

I also sail dinghies, but I do not dress up like Captain Birdseye, or a Pirate.  And people do not assume that I am going to 'board them in the smoke' and carry off their daughters and riches....

I drive a car.  Does not mean I am automatically marked as a sociopath.

The media has always been a part of the problem.  They are always looking for a story where there isn't one.  An angle.  To sensationalize the 'unsensational'.

Much like they always have.

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Re: She called me a "Biker"
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2014, 04:55:20 AM »
And just to stir the pot a bit more .........

In Ozzie we had an election in the state of Queensland a year or so ago and the incoming conservative government decided to do something about the bikie gangs and their criminal activities.  Fast forward and it is now illegal to be a member of one of the named patch gangs, wear their patches and some other stuff which included automatic increase in prison time for membership.  The legal fraternity (in their pockets of course) and do gooders jumped to their defence, etc.  At the end of the day it caused a lot of heartache to normal bike riders and has now settled down.  

Those patch gangs in this part of the world are heavily engaged in criminal activity and anybody who defends them or says otherwise has their head up their Ars*.  Motorcycles are simply a convenience for them and nothing else.  

From what I have seen during my riding years, the bikies have a certain bad ass image which lots like to imitate.  Riding a HD and stopping every five minutes for a latte is not my scene as I tend to ride solo or with friends.  I prefer the tag motorcyclist and nowadays I ride for pleasure.  

Just my two bobs worth, and I eagerly await the next opinion.  

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Re: She called me a "Biker"
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2014, 06:33:04 AM »
Unless I'm leading a very sheltered existence "Biker gangs" are a non issue in the my part of the UK and it's not that common to read bad publicity about motorcycles. On the contrary there has been some good publicity with large numbers of motorcyclists on Help the Heros  rides in support of our armed forces.

I prefer the "motorcyclist" tag but "biker" does not have quite the negative connotation it seems to have elsewhere and is just a more modern expression. I wonder if it's something to do with our climate.  Any bad publicity you do see will generally be about sports riders excessive speeding or injuring and killing themselves on the infamous local roads and that only happens in the summer.

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Re: She called me a "Biker"
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2014, 11:52:53 AM »
This old biker owns the cash Bingo franchise at his nursing home. Tough hombre.  ;D

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Re: She called me a "Biker"
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2014, 01:22:42 PM »
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Unless I'm leading a very sheltered existence "Biker gangs" are a non issue in the my part of the UK and it's not that common to read bad publicity about motorcycles. On the contrary there has been some good publicity with large numbers of motorcyclists on Help the Heros  rides in support of our armed forces.

I prefer the "motorcyclist" tag but "biker" does not have quite the negative connotation it seems to have elsewhere and is just a more modern expression. I wonder if it's something to do with our climate.  Any bad publicity you do see will generally be about sports riders excessive speeding or injuring and killing themselves on the infamous local roads and that only happens in the summer.

My experience is similar to yours.  I live just 10 miles away from the largest city in the USA, New York City.  Around here, we do have a lot of clubs, and they are just that and not gangs.  We have single brand clubs (BMW Club, Harley HOGS, Ducati, etc), we have riding style clubs (cruiser clubs, sport rider clubs, etc) and we have lifestlye/occupation clubs (police, firemen, christian, etc).  Almost all of these clubs have their own "colors" on the back of their jackets and vests.  But you generally do not hear of any problems involving them (other than an occassionally sports club run where someone does something stupid and crashes).  Many riders and clubs participate in charitable fundraising runs, sometimes involving in excess of 1,000 motocyclists.  This does generate a fair amount of good will.

However, I am not so nieve as to think there are no outlaw or 1% gangs/clubs around.  They exist around here,  with Hells Angels having a chapter in New York City and in Newark New Jersey.  There are a few other outlaw motorcycle gangs around too.   But it is very rare to see them on the road, and I have never seen them in large numbers (usually no more tha 2 to 5).  They tend to stay on in their area, in the cities, and sell their contraband there.  They also tend to avoid anything close to a gang war.  Other than dealing in contraband in their own territory, they tend to leave other people alone.  

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