Installing a Sidedstand From Beemerrich

[Crossrodes]

I think it was NC Steve that said several here had installed the sidestand from BeemerRich.  I ordered one for my '79 R65 and received it about a month ago.  It looks like a fine quality part.  I am finally getting around to installing it.  I am having some problems and have some questions.  I don't see how this side stand fits.  Here's what I see:
 
The current sidestand is a stock unit and is as is shown in the parts diagram for the '79 R65.  
 
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=0353&mospid=47850&btnr=46_0025&hg=46&fg=15
 
I have removed the nut and washer and slipped the threaded rod (that supports the engine to the frame) back thinking that the current sidestand would slip out.  However the part that sidestand attaches to appears to be welded to the bike frame.  I was thinking that the current sidestand would be connected to the bike through the threaded bolt that is the engine support (passes through the crankcase) however this does not appear to be the case.  I believe I can remove the current sidestand by removing the pins in the above diagram however I don't understand where the sidestand Beemerrich sent me would bolt to the bike.  I am stumped.
 
Can anyone give me some direction?

[NC Steve]

Mike, these Brown's stands can be a bit confusing at first, but please see if this picture helps.
Once you see it, it's fairly self-explanatory. The forward hole is actually for attaching the exhaust hanger, and the rearward one for attaching to the motor mount bolt. Some folks use the replacement engine mount bolt that Beemerrich supplies, bit it's often not necessary.

Most of us have left our factory sidestands intact, as they tuck nicely away underneath everything, so you'll actually end up with 2 sidestands, just 1 you'll never use & which stays out of the way.



Hope this helps!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

[Crossrodes]

Steve I was puzzling over this.  Your picture seems to be different from the set up on my bike.  My exhaust hanger is actually attached between the rear motor mount/frame and the down pipe.  

Looking at your picture it appears that you disconnected your exhaust hanger from the frame/motor mount and moved it forward on the down pipe and attached the sidestand that way.  Looking at my bike it looks like if I do that the exhaust hanger will be attached to the pipe and to the side stand with no direct attachment to the frame other than through the side stand.  Is this how you did it?

Mike

[NC Steve]

Hmmm...

For what it's worth, this isn't an actual pic of my own install, but an internet-stolen one from the infamous Blueberry, owned by the even more infamous Joan, she of the Seattle territories   8-)

But, that not withstanding, the basic installation should be pretty  much the same, although it may well be necessary to adjust for various & sundry exhaust hangers, etc. Slide the hanger as necessary, as long as you're still appropriately positioned for a correct seal.

As far as "no direct attachment to the frame other than through the side stand", the sidestand bracket itself is bolted very securely onto the rear engine mount bolt, and the exhaust is supported at several other points along its' way, and I've never heard of any structural  problems with either the stand or exhaust.

[Crossrodes]

OK. Thanks Steve.  I'll give it a shot tomorrow and let you know how I make out.  I appreciate your feedback.

Mike

[Justin B.]

Look closely at the pic, the Brown has two mounting holes.  The rear hole is located to the rear engine mount stud, the exhaust bracket slides forward and attaches to the front hole - no magic involved.  The rear hole takes all of the weight and the front hole ties it to a convenient fixed location (the exhaust pipe) to keep it from rotating around the engine mount when force is applied through the stand "leg".

In fact, it'll actually work with just the one through the engine mount.  My '95 has been like this for a couple of years as there is no stock exhaust hanger and I've been too lazy to fabricate something to tie the front hole to.

[Crossrodes]

OK I got back at it today.  It looks like things will fit per the photograph.  Thanks again Steve for giving me that.  

However now I've run into another problem.  The longer engine mount stud that you referred to Steve didn't come with the stand I bought from Beemerich and I haven't heard back from him from an email I sent him a few days ago (I'll send him another email).  Even if I back off the nut on the opposite side I will only have half the nuts threads holding the stud.  I don't like that idea.  So here is the question....can I simply replace this stud with a longer piece of threaded rod that I could maybe get at Home Depot?  Or are there any particular strength or metallurgic qualities that I will need in the rod (stainless steel)?  

[NC Steve]

I really don't want to be giving any metallurgical advice - perhaps Justin or Bob might - but I personally can't see the problem in using a hardened steel threaded rod, or at least threaded on the ends anyway. Any weight and stress should be contained in the engine cases, and you'll only use the stand when parked, so I really can't see the problem (although I'll now sit back and wait for the experts to point out the foolishness of the whole idea  )

I'm surprised you can't get the existing engine mount bolt to go further through: must be an early-vs.-late R65 thing. I used the new rod from Beemerrich on my '84, just because it was shiny & new, but the stocker would have worked just fine too. I'm sure Richard would hook you up with a mounting bolt, though, if you can track him down.

Good luck, hope yu can get 'er straight!  

[Justin B.]

I doubt that metric all-thread can be had at Home Depot...  But, speaking of stainless steel, would there be a market for a few sets?

[donbmw]

The Stock rear engine mount was long enought on all 3 of mine. I back off the Rh nut until one thread showed and push the mount over to the left installed stand and tightened with about one thread showing on the LH side.

Don

[Justin B.]

That was kinda my experience as well...

[Crossrodes]

It's definitely not my experience.  I backed off the nut on the opposite side and tightened both up after I got the left hand nut started.  Now I have about half the nut threads making contact with the stud.  

[NC Steve]

Mike, can you measure the length of your motor mount bolt?

Let us know, and if my original stocker's any longer and will solve the problem, I'll be glad to mail it to you: I'm not using it.

[Crossrodes]

Steve I was thinking the same thing.  I'll take it out and measure it today.

[Crossrodes]

Steve it is 12 13/16" (I don't have a metric measuring tape).  I'm assuming that it is the same length as your stock stud.  The question now is how long is the stud that Beemerich supplied?