Thanks for the link Kev, the starter relay is working fine when the LS relay is disconnected..... and its a new battery, whats happening is i am getting 12v on the output side of the start relay (not enough to turn the motor which i have stripped off to check) without pressing the start button when the load shed relay is plugged in, with the relay unplugged i only get voltage on the button.
I have ordered a new LS relay which i hope to fit next weekend and we will see what happens could be this is causing the gremlins in the other electric circuits.
Lou