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Author Topic: Good day for voting (And riding) !  (Read 4966 times)

trolle

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Re: Good day for voting (And riding) !
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2008, 06:26:55 AM »
Well, I have just been watching a very good TV-series on the Civil War - makes you think about the meaninglessness of war!

greetings from a rainy and grey north - really lousy driving conditions


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Re: Good day for voting (And riding) !
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2008, 10:37:05 AM »
Lets all talk about owning guns and every American's 'right to shoot the president' should he or she wish - thats what the second comandment is all about?

Perhaps he is just trying to protect the democratic process...... :-?
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2008, 06:08:11 PM »
I hate politics and politicians.

I am indifferent to guns, but that is due to differences in culture.  If I grew up in England, I am sure I would have a different attitude.

I like the Swiss' attitude.

Does Switzerland have crime?

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Re: Good day for voting (And riding) !
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2008, 12:00:59 AM »
I think that the Swiss deport their criminals to the rest of the E.U...

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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2008, 12:54:20 AM »
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I think that the Swiss deport their criminals to the rest of the E.U...

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That's a hell if a trade agreement!  I wonder what the get in return?  Nuclear waste?

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Re: Good day for voting (And riding) !
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2008, 04:27:51 AM »
We used to do the same in the UK.  But the Australians have an immigration entrance criteria now that precludes such things......Spoil sports!

Now we accept everyone elses criminals from the whole of Europe and beyond.  Put them up, give them free medical and some cash in their pockets to be getting along with and then allow them to continue to operate from the UK. Terrorists and organised criminals included.

We can no longer deport them as it would be against thier human rights - i.e. if they went back to their countries of origin, they would be punished/killed.

Confused.
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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2008, 01:57:19 PM »
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Confused.


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Re: Good day for voting (And riding) !
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2008, 06:25:41 PM »
I can't wait for the "economic signals" from the Obama administration that will make me want to drive my R65 less and less.  Hang on folks - it's going to be a wild ride.  But if history has anything to do with the future then nothing will change as Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin.

'nuff said.   :-/
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Re: Good day for voting (And riding) !
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2008, 06:36:29 PM »
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Well, I have just been watching a very good TV-series on the Civil War - makes you think about the meaninglessness of war!

greetings from a rainy and grey north - really lousy driving conditions


Well trolle you just don't understand the reasons it was fought.  Those reasons are still driving politics today.  The question is Federal power vs. States rights.  I strongly recomend reading "Founding Fathers - The revolutionary generation" by Joseph J. Ellis ISBN 0-375-40544-5.  This will help clue you in to the question that is driving American politics.

With Obama we get Federal power - boy are we going to get it.  Unfortunately the Republicans (present day incarnation) are not too far behind.

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Re: Good day for voting (And riding) !
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2008, 12:07:34 AM »
Gumby, I politely suggest that I've read intermittently for decades about why that war was fought, and I *still* can't point to a single over-arching cause of it. Attributing Prof. Ellis's analysis of the founders' philosophical debate regarding the nature of government as *the* issue leading to the American Civil War overlooks numerous other issues dividing the regions of country: economics, ethnicity, and political power (at the federal level) initially, then slavery also after about 1831.

Regarding the post-election stampede to buy the biggest, baddest firepower on the market: I own several (unregistered) firearms, all family heirlooms, some of which are curiosities or antiques. I would not voluntarily surrender or register them, even though I haven't fired them in decades. I qualified with, and occasionally used, weapons when I was in the Army, and I'm comfortable with them. I think there are places in the US where it is prudent to own a weapon to protect home, self, and family. I think the US Supreme Court reached the right decision in overturning the District of Columbia's outright ban on handguns and unreasonable restrictions on shoulder weapons. Nonetheless, I think the buying frenzy that has occurred in the past week is irrational to the point of panic.

I guess that makes me a moderate, the object of hatred by extremists on both poles of the political spectrum. Indeed, I think the greatest danger to any benign form of government (ours or any other) is extremism, whether from the left or the right. (I can think of at least two revolutions resulting initially in a moderate form of government that was quickly overturned in bloody fashion by extremists.)

FWIW, I worry more about the viability of other amendments in the Bill of Rights more than that of the Second.

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Re: Good day for voting (And riding) !
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2008, 07:18:59 AM »
One must "worry" about the entire Bill of Rights for if one amendment falls others may very well follow.
Consider the following (attributed to German Pastor Martin Niemöller) and substitute such things as arms, talk radio, etc., that you might not particularly worry about:

" ... they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

    And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

    And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

    And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

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Re: Good day for voting (And riding) !
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2008, 07:24:32 AM »
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We used to do the same in the UK.  But the Australians have an immigration entrance criteria now that precludes such things......Spoil sports!

Confused.

It always amuses me that the poms used to see Australia as a criminal sentence and now they immigrate for a better lifestyle.

Even back in the 1800's they were coming over to a place more abundant in open spaces, food and better climate.

John

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Re: Good day for voting (And riding) !
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2008, 07:26:41 AM »
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I hate politics and politicians.

At work I tell them little boys who tell lies grow up to be politicians or meteorologists.



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Re: Good day for voting (And riding) !
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2008, 09:14:46 AM »
...or too lazy to actually work for a living and are scared to be a mugger...
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Re: Good day for voting (And riding) !
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2008, 10:03:17 AM »
We have the same problem here, bleeding Aussie's all over the place, complaining about the rain! ;D

Can't think of any good reason that they would want to be here though.

I had a work colleague - a short term contractor from Oz, who described to me his old house, could see the sea from his front room, 30 mins from work, beach 5 or 10 mins away, etc.  And he has been in Europe for 7 years.  And I have to ask.....

Why?

What the hell are you doing here?

His answer was something along the lines that everything is closer together over here, but he would go home eventually.  But not before he had seen all of Europe.
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