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Author Topic: Considering Buying a Project  (Read 4292 times)

Offline JAMADOR

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Considering Buying a Project
« on: May 07, 2019, 11:27:26 AM »
Hello all, just joined on here & have been reading for a couple days.

Thinking about buying a project. 1980 R65 that has been garage stored & unused for ~30yrs. Would be my first (owned) bike.

Bike was ridden from CO to FL & was in good running condition when parked.
Has literally sat in the garage since.

I'm in TX, and haven't seen the bike, nor do I have much more information (yet) about it. Need to get the mileage, VIN, etc before moving forward, but the seller is someone I've known for years & was in occasional talks with about buying his K75S, but never had timing & finances line up.

Thinking the R would be a easier 'investment' and a chance to get intimately familiar with it, with going through a minor restoration.

What would you guys put the value of a non-running project R65 that's in decent cosmetic condition, but likely in need of some potentially major mechanical refresh?

Any advice before jumping off the deep end & looking at getting it transported to TX?

Offline JAMADOR

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Re: Considering Buying a Project
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2019, 11:29:14 AM »
Also, I assume pretty much all rubber components will need replacing, along with all fluids flushed/replaced, and carbs cleaned/rebuilt. At minimum.

Seller said he believes the engine is 'locked up' from sitting. Chances of damage? Or just needs some TLC to get it freed up?

Offline vthokies03

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Re: Considering Buying a Project
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2019, 12:16:26 PM »
I personally would not pick up a project for a 1st bike.

My r65 is #2 bike in the garage right now. I have the ability to take my time on repairing it, and am still able to ride the other bike. There is no pressure to get it up and running so I can take a ride.

I would recommend you pick up a used running bike first. That way you can make sure you like motorcycling. If you dont, you can sell that bike for a little loss. Most of the time you will not get your time/money back out of a project.

Did the PO empty the gas tank, or does it have 30 year old gas sitting in it.
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Offline JAMADOR

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Re: Considering Buying a Project
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2019, 12:57:20 PM »
I've got an Indian Scout in the garage for the summer, so I've been taking it for short rides & getting myself re-acclimated with riding.

Unsure on the details on the R, past the fact that it's been unused for over 2 decades & stored in a (assuming) residential garage in the outer NW Orlando area.

I've also got some good technical help, as my dad was in the car business for 30 years & is really handy with mechanical work.

Offline Justin B.

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Re: Considering Buying a Project
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2019, 04:43:49 PM »
Would need carbs to be rebuilt

Possible gas-tank re-line

Probable brake caliper and MC replacement/rebuild

new tires and tubes

New battery

New fluids and oil filter

Pretty much everything rubber is at least suspect

If trans has sat with water in oil for a long time a transmission rebuild is likely in it's near future

Transmission spline lube

Rear spline clean and lube

To me it would only be worth a few hundred bucks as from personal experience I know how much things add up once started.

But, if you can get it dirt cheap then it would be a fun project as Airheads are pretty easy to work on, for the most part.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2019, 04:44:40 PM by admin »
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Offline JAMADOR

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Re: Considering Buying a Project
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2019, 05:14:36 PM »
Most of that was what I expected for the restore to road-readiness.
Seller had gotten me a quote to ship his K75S to Houston, assuming the R would be a similar rate, it was something in the $600 range (NW Orlando to N Houston).
« Last Edit: May 07, 2019, 05:15:10 PM by JAMADOR »

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Re: Considering Buying a Project
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2019, 05:43:21 PM »
How much mechanical experience do you have on vehicles ??
That possibility of a seized engine would concern me, sitting in central Florida for 30 years, corrosion my be a big issue .
« Last Edit: May 07, 2019, 06:10:20 PM by Bob_Roller »
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Re: Considering Buying a Project
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2019, 06:27:09 PM »
If it is going to cost you $600 just to get the project home you need the bike as a gift. Having sat that long there is hundreds or hours of work and a couple of thousand dollars in bibs and bobs to put it back on the road. I would happily pay money for a derelict "iconic" model, say an original "basic" G/S or an R90S, early model R100RS, "Bumblebee GS" etc. But there is nothing special about a 1980 R65 and much as I love the BMW brand, $AU500 (which is a lot less than $US500) is about the max I'd pay for a non-iconic bike that has not run in 30 years and is a model known to have more than a few problems when new.

That said, on the positive side parts availability is good, collective technical knowledge here annd in various forums is excellent. It comes down to your mechabnical ability and how much over the odds you are prepared to pay - given that the $600 transport cost is in my view already more than the bike is worth, which way you jump depends on your appetite for it.

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Offline tiggum

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Re: Considering Buying a Project
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2019, 08:00:25 PM »
Listen to Tony Smith; he is one of our best gurus.

I believe that the 1980 models are iron (rather than the much more  desirable "Nickasil" barrel engines) and thus it is much more likely that you will need to replace rings and bore the iron barrels.  I also believe that the bike can be saved, but there is a point of diminishing return.  You might be better off looking for an '81 or later in your area.

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Re: Considering Buying a Project
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2019, 11:05:16 PM »
On top of what they have said the heads may  need the Exhaust seats and valves replaced
It all ads up fast
If I had it all to do over I would have got a post 1985 R80 or larger
The R65 is a great twisty road bike but does have the annoying vibration at about 65 to 70mph range so it makes it a bit of a hassle to run the Interstates on 
I would not  pay more than 500 Bucks all in
That being said you could also buy a running R65 that needs a lot of work to 

Don't  buy this thing thinking it will be cheap because it WONT  :o
If you want cheap buy a Honda   
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Re: Considering Buying a Project
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2019, 01:39:19 AM »
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Listen to Tony Smith; he is one of our best gurus.

I would prefer not to have the term "guru" used - i am not in the same league as people like Snowbum, Mark Morrisey, Ray Peake etc. i will admit to having opinions and not being afraid to share them :-)

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I believe that the 1980 models are iron (rather than the much more  desirable "Nickasil" barrel engines) and thus it is much more likely that you will need to replace rings and bore the iron barrels.  I also believe that the bike can be saved, but there is a point of diminishing return.  You might be better off looking for an '81 or later in your area.


There is nothing wrong with "iron bore' cylinders, I was using a set in my 84 R65 when it was still an R65. If I were to persist with a set of iron cyclinder i would use them until they needed a rebore and then have them bored and nikasil coated - this is now marginally cheaper than buying new nikasil barrels.

My concerns with the 1980 model are - they have suspect valve seats and also the smaller valves. It is probabyl cheaper to buy a 2nd jhand set of later heads and refurbish them. BMW do not make "lead free" seats for the small valve heads, they can be obtained elsewhere, but as someone else commented - the cost ramps up.

The 1980 model has the heavy flywheel and the longer input shaft, the jury is still out whether the skeleton clutch carrier is a real improvement or not, but parts specific to the  79/80 model R65 are going to get harder to find sooner (for instance try and find a 79/80 side stand bush - they have the same part number as the later models, but the later part doesn't fit). The 1980 will have the round master cylinder, which in the absence of a source of new tanks is just junk, also it may (probabyl will) have an ATE caliper - againt he cost of refurbing this is about the cost of buying a brembo, so its junk.

To be honest, I'd take it on as a project, but I would not pay more than $500 for it.  By way of comparison I have just bought a K100RS with a failed alternator for $400 and ridden it home. It has given the previous owner a few problems recently and the charge light coming on was the last straw. Old bikes can be very frustrating. you need a modern one to take your aggression out on.
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Offline JAMADOR

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Re: Considering Buying a Project
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2019, 08:36:05 AM »
Thanks for the insight guys. Definitely giving me a little pause in making such an initial investment into a bike that may need extensive refreshing.

Maybe if I had a way to get it here without the associated shipping costs it would be more feasible...

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Re: Considering Buying a Project
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2019, 06:12:54 PM »
A member here has an '83 LS for sale, in Phoenix, fly and drive it home .
Before it gets hot !! ( OK, hotter ) ;D
« Last Edit: May 08, 2019, 06:14:06 PM by Bob_Roller »
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Re: Considering Buying a Project
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2019, 08:48:23 PM »
I have been thinking about sell the 1988 R65 that I bought from a friend that road raced it for one season. It’s got some road rash from that and when the wife road off into the ditch. It’s been about 4 years since I had it out. If you interested I am only 350 miles away.
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Offline MrRiden

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Re: Considering Buying a Project
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2019, 12:33:39 PM »
Well, I've got one available. Head on over to the Trading Post section. For what you would spend on resurrecting a long stored example I've got a runner. Needs tires but you could then enjoy it right off the bat while you polish it up to your liking. I can work with the transport of your choice. Have a look.
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