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Author Topic: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L  (Read 10881 times)

Offline montmil

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Re: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2015, 04:00:47 PM »
My R65 left jug smokin' story:

Last year, a couple guys following on morning rides mentioned, at different times, that there was smoke puffing out the left side muffler. Ruh roh.

Fresh oil didn't improve the situation. Valve lash chech made no diff. Next checked compression. Right side hunky dory. Left side way low. Double ruh roh. Time to pull the heads- both sides.

Quite a bit of carbon buildup in the left combustion chamber and a valve stem was also carbon heavy. Worn out valve guide/s. Fortunately, I had a late model pair of heads stashed so they went to my favorite Butler & Smith trained mechanic for disassembly and checkup. They were in fine fettle.

Next, pulled the jugs and discovered the bottom oil ring on the left side -it looks like a 2-piece ring but isn't -had cracked. The bad ring and loose valve guide bore were the oiling culprits.

A couple sets of iron piston rings -R65s have Nikasil-plated bores- gaskets and o-rings made it good.


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1981 BMW R65
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Re: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2015, 04:23:49 PM »
Gummed up rings may free up with use on their own after an Italian tune up but MMO is said to help. I'd put some down the plug hole and some in the fuel. They say to add it to the oil too but I'm not keen on that unless an oil change is due soon.

Pre 2000 there was only a 3 digit date code on tires so for example a date code of 429 means the 42 week week of 1999 or 1989 or 1979!!
I had 3 digit codes on my tires when I first bought the bike.
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Re: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2015, 08:23:06 PM »
Don't fret over the smoke yet
I would get it tuned up and running and ride it and see what happens
I  never leave mine on the side stand I always use the center stand
They can load up on the left side if on the side stand
I only use it for dismounting the bike and then I  put it on the  center right away
I have a 82 and my valves do not recede at all if anything they loosen

Its no fun changing the tires  if they still have tubes in them.
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Re: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2015, 07:59:28 AM »
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Its no fun changing the tiresif they still have tubes in them.  

That's true.  

When I changed my original 28 year tires they were so stiff I was concerned about damaging the rims so I cut them off. The rubber is easy enough to cut but the bead wires need seriously good wire cutters or something like a Dremel cutting disc.
Barry Cheshire, England 79 R45

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Re: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2015, 04:35:35 PM »
I have no problems changing the tires on my LS wheels. Local independent shop charges me $20 a wheel to take off the old tube and tire, mount and balance the new ones and dispose of the old tire. Doesn't matter if I buy them from him or bring in my own. Can't beat it, drop it off at lunch and pick it up after work. Just to avoid the aggrevation factor it is worth it to me.
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Re: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2015, 11:04:28 AM »
I was looking at brake rotor options again. It looks to me like the EBC rotors are semi-float as well. It doesn't look like the hardware used to secure the disk is reusable, though, so no replacement of just the disk down the road. Can anyone confirm this?

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Re: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2015, 05:54:40 PM »
Question 3: I want to shave some weight off this bike where possible. I have ordered a Lithium battery (I needed a new battery anyway) and found a cheap Valeo starter on ebay. I am also planning on going tubeless when I order new tires. I will also probably swap the mufflers for shorter ones. Short of just removing stuff, are there any other easy or cost effective ways to shed a few pounds (off the bike)?

Offline montmil

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Re: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2015, 08:02:18 PM »
You'll need to purchase a Lithium-specific charger for that new battery. They are a bit pricey to match the battery's cost. Have you been reading / seeing the recent news of these Hoverboards bursting into flames? Most all the Lithium batts were Chinese manufactured. May want to confirm your battery selection country of manufacture. Other forum members may chime in on Lithium batteries for daily riders.

One of the best weight shaving ways to improve bike performance is for the rider to drop a few pounds. ::)
Monte Miller
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1978 BMW R100S
1981 BMW R65
1983 BMW R65
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Re: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2015, 08:19:34 PM »
I don't know if this is still an issue or not, but lithium batteries had problems providing enough power to operate the starter below around 55 F .

This was with Shorai  batteries .
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Re: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2015, 09:50:19 PM »
The formulation for most lithium motorcycle batteries is LiFePO4, not the Li-ion that tends to explode. I'm willing to risk it. And they do charge with a normal charger, with some limitations. Cold weather is an issue, but I live in a desert climate and rarely will I need to start the bike in freezing weather.

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Re: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L
« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2015, 11:05:50 PM »
For the cost I would go with AGL.

Don't get me wrong but AGL has all the placement advantages of LiPo (on its side, upside down etc) and is much, much cheaper.
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Re: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L
« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2015, 11:59:47 PM »
It's really not that much cheaper: $130 vs $80. And it saves 12lbs over AGM. Not to mention the size difference will allow me to mount the new battery somewhere hidden if I decide to.

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Re: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2015, 07:02:50 AM »
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Question 3: I want to shave some weight off this bike where possible. I have ordered a Lithium battery (I needed a new battery anyway) and found a cheap Valeo starter on ebay. I am also planning on going tubeless when I order new tires. I will also probably swap the mufflers for shorter ones. Short of just removing stuff, are there any other easy or cost effective ways to shed a few pounds (off the bike)?

Battery and starter are good places to lose weight although personally I would have tried a smaller capacity AGM say a much cheaper 12AH which should work fine with the more efficient starter. I'd then spend the balance of funds on some other area of weight reduction

Wheels, tyres and tubes are great places to lose weight as you get two bangs for your buck with lower overall weight and lower rotational inertia both of which improve acceleration and braking, Shame there isn't a cheap way of using lighter wheels as well. I think LS wheel are little bit lighter but snowflakes are ridiculously heavy and the fact that they are heavier than the spoked wheels they replaced is something of a disgrace. I don't know how the weight of tubed tires compare with tubeless but the heavy duty tubes in mine weigh several pounds each.

With a better caliper it must be possible to make a single disc set up work as well as stock twin discs which is another possible weight reduction that should also have a dynamic benefit of less unsprung weight.

The composition mudguards are heavy and lighter alloy ones would save a few pounds.

For mufflers to be on the weight reduction list for me I'd need some assurance that there wasn't going to be a negative impact on performance other wise it would seem to defeat the object of the exercise.
Barry Cheshire, England 79 R45

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Re: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2015, 09:20:08 AM »
Good point about the mufflers. The way I understand it the stock exhaust is tuned for specific rpm's so that when a sound wave is reflected back up the exhaust at the tuning rpm the negative pressure phase arrives at the valves as the valves are opening, helping suck more exhaust out of the cylinder. I would lose that effect with shorter mufflers, but I should gain a little across all rpm's due to the new mufflers being free-er floating overall. But that's just justification for having what I think are better looking mufflers. Hopefully they aren't too loud.

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Re: The thread where I ask questions about my new R65L
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2015, 06:41:36 PM »
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It's really not that much cheaper: $130 vs $80. /quote]


Oh I wish.....

Whilst I wonder about your AGL price - $80US converts to around $111AU, and we buyr AGLs for about $AU100.

I am reallly, really fascinated by your LiPo price. You see $US130 is around $AU180 and the cheapest price I have seen for a LiPo battery that was start rated and had the on-board electronics to allow direct connection to a "legacy" charging system meant for a Wet Cell was somewhere north of $AU380.

Could you supply some model numbers and supplier as at that price I would seriously consider a LiPo for the R100 when it goes back together.


OTOH. If the battery you are quoting is not start rated than it will not live long meeting start loads and if it doesn't have the electronic gizmology to deal with charging and cell balancing, then what you will have is not so much a battery as an IED.
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