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Author Topic: Clutch release arm needle bearing stuck  (Read 1926 times)

Offline tunnelrider

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Clutch release arm needle bearing stuck
« on: June 22, 2016, 04:58:13 AM »
Hi all,

I'm trying to replace a 30 year old pivot needle bearing in the clutch release arm.  It had seized x number of years ago and no previous owner seems to have bothered about it as the clutch was able used as normal, I guess by the inside bush rotating on the retaining bolt.

Anyhow, after lots of heat the needle bearing isn't budging when I try to drive it out of the clutch arm.  I'm thinking it might need to be soaked for a while in some solution, but I don't know what.

Has anyone had a similar experience?  I could also just put it back in, it didn't add too much to the clutch action anyway.
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motoboy66

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Re: Clutch release arm needle bearing stuck
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2016, 07:30:06 AM »
From memory I made a press using two sockets and a vice.. A large socket the diameter of the outer piece of the clutch arm on one side and socket narrow enough to push the bearing through the centre on the other.. If that makes any sense! Then just placed it in the vice and squeezed until it popped the bearing through into the larger socket.. (14mm spark plug socket might be good for that). It's a bit fiddly holding stuff in place until you start to get the pressure on though but it should work.. I hope!

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Re: Clutch release arm needle bearing stuck
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2016, 09:17:20 AM »
I use the new needle bearing to push the old out and take it's place.
I was told to use ATF fluid mixed with acetone to free stubborn things. Dangerous stuff to be used outside the shop and not sniffed too long...

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Re: Clutch release arm needle bearing stuck
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2016, 10:11:37 AM »
Leave the arm in a container covered in diesel over night. Hopefully the diesel will have acted like a penetrating oil, then you should be able to just press out the old one using Craig C's technique.  

Worked a treat for me when I had to do the clutch arm pivot off the doner. Oh and don't get caught by your missus cleaning the arm afterwards in the kitchen sink, for some reason the wife went off on one when she caught me doing that.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2016, 10:14:09 AM by thrang »

motoboy66

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Re: Clutch release arm needle bearing stuck
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2016, 10:43:30 AM »
Tony -  never mind a clutch release arm in the kitchen sink..

(funny how i'm not with my wife any more..)

« Last Edit: June 22, 2016, 10:45:21 AM by motoboy66 »

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Re: Clutch release arm needle bearing stuck
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2016, 05:15:29 PM »
The kitchen dishwasher cleans up parts quite nicely. Use with caution.
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Re: Clutch release arm needle bearing stuck
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2016, 07:52:42 PM »
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The kitchen dishwasher cleans up parts quite nicely. Use with caution.

Practical experience allows me to provide the following tips in the temporary re-purposing of domestic appliances

Firstly, buy a stainless steel lined dishwasher, now only is it easier to clean in an emergency, unlike plastic it doesn't bond with stuff like Gearbox oil leaving a tell-tale smear for the wife to find.

You should allow time to use and fully clean any temporarily re-purposed domestic appliance before the wife arrives home. She may have her suspicions regarding the suspicious cleanliness, but cant prove anything.

If you use a domestic oven to heat components that contain oil of grease, be prepared to run the oven for an extended "self-clean" period, followed by a cleaning with the smelliest Oven cleaner you can find. It is also important to shut down air-conditioning/central heating and open the house up fully for the duration lest residual smells give you away.


Funnily enough the only domestic appliance temporary re-purposing that got me into serious sh!t was using the wife's favorite (and near brand new) food processor to turn Nitroprill fertilizer into powder, the more easily to combine it with zinc oxide, sulphur and powdered B-B-Q brickettes in order to make solid rocket fuel.
 
The rocket fuel was a roaring (literally) success but the blade on the food processor was somewhat 2nd hand. Meals of hot tongue and cold shoulder were the result.
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Offline tunnelrider

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Re: Clutch release arm needle bearing stuck
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2016, 11:02:19 PM »
Ha ha!  Thanks guys for the replies and hints - I'm sure the vice press will do the trick.  Craig that's a mighty fine photo of the engine case in the oven, I like your dedication.  Considering how house proud my girlfriend is, I haven't ventured into the re-purposing of domestic appliances except the freezer.  With these tips up my sleeve I am now enlightened!
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Re: Clutch release arm needle bearing stuck
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2016, 01:31:11 AM »
The vice press worked a trick, thanks for the info guys.  Now to measure up my oven, for future engine work....  Ha ha
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motoboy66

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Re: Clutch release arm needle bearing stuck
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2016, 05:00:42 AM »
Amazing. Glad the trick worked AND we had some bonus culinary tips for cooking up fresh BMW parts. And rocket fuel!!

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Re: Clutch release arm needle bearing stuck
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2016, 06:07:04 AM »
Yeah, fantastic cooking tips, better than any cooking contest, eh!  8-)
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Re: Clutch release arm needle bearing stuck
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2016, 12:40:50 PM »
I man a I knew solved the problem. A used oven for the shop.

Offline montmil

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Re: Clutch release arm needle bearing stuck
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2016, 09:31:37 PM »
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I man a I knew solved the problem. A used oven for the shop.

Too simple a fix. Where's the challenge of slipping one by the Chief-of-the-House?

BTW, I've a stainless steel dishwasher interior. It's those rubber-covered racks that can trip you up.  :-X
Monte Miller
Denton, TEXAS
1978 BMW R100S
1981 BMW R65
1983 BMW R65
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1986 VW Cabriolet

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Re: Clutch release arm needle bearing stuck
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2016, 02:12:47 AM »
Once upon a time, I bought for a song a Hewlett Packard laser printer second hand. At that time, they where an arm and a leg even second hand. This one was so dirty the price was down to the level in my pocket.
I dismantled the outer parts and put them in the dishwasher. And turned it on. During that time I cleaned the innards to actually see what I had bought. It took so long I forgot the dishwasher.
And, guess what ? the Missus found it. Full. "Clean". She is petite but can yell a lot....  :-X :( :-?
The printer looked brand new after the cleaning and was working like new. I used it for many many years.