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Author Topic: Replacing Push Rod Tubes  (Read 1466 times)

Offline montmil

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Replacing Push Rod Tubes
« on: January 18, 2016, 04:10:41 PM »
The bike: A 1977 R100S sold as a 1978 model.
The issue: Oil weep around the push rod grommet, right-side exhaust. Or so I thought.

Initially diagnosed and corrected was a too deeply set oil filter canister that did not provide enough crush to the large o-ring seal. After measurements and doing the math, an extra shim and a new paper gasket were installed. Oil weep reduced but not eliminated. Must be the grommet. Time to remove both left and right top ends. False economy to do just one side.

Examining the right-side push rod tubes revealed where the actual oil loss was occurring. The exhaust-side push rod tube was no longer totally sealed to the cylinder. The failed interference fit was now interfering with my riding time.

German-made stainless steel push rod tubes were purchased from Motobins at 40% of the asking price from US BMW dealers. Grommets and required o-rings were on hand. Bob's BMW supplied the required removal and install tool for just $9.00.

The best assistance for the DIY'er is Scott Marbuger's photo essay on his Gunsmoke website. http://www.gunsmoke.com/motorcycling/r100rt/pushrodTubes/index.html The process is relatively simple. The nut to crack is the depth to set the new tubes so that the tube's ring applies the correct pressure to the grommets. Reading and understanding eases the anxiety level.




You will want to support the cylinders using scrap lumber clamped to the bench. The threaded studs lay in the slot twix the 2x4 lumber. Note the backstop cross piece. Without this, you'll chase the jugs until they fall from the support pieces.



The tube bores must be hospital clean. No oil or grit. Carb & brake cleaner works well.



The same tool that extracts the old tubes will install the new ones. The tool is visible to the left of the jugs as is the machinist's square, or similar, you will need to confirm correct set depth of the new tubes. I used three different weights of hammers to fit the new tubes. With the install tube in place, a plastic mallet set the chamfered end of the new tube in position. A three-pound dead blow mallet moved the tubes square in their bores. Strong blows from a five-pound sledge hammer are needed for the last few millimeters. Keep all hemmer strikes in alignment with the tubes and you'll insure you do not collapse and ruin a tube.
   Apply enough #29000 Permatex 'Green' wicking sealant to both areas where the tubes fit the jugs. Couple applications is not too much but do wait the 24 hours for the initial application to cure. Another 24 for the second dabs and before engine start.



New grommets have a light coating of oil on the inside. Pistons and rings are back in their bores. Final assembly is on short final. This stop weep project went well beyond initial expectations.



Monte Miller
Denton, TEXAS
1978 BMW R100S
1981 BMW R65
1983 BMW R65
1995 Triumph Trophy
1986 VW Cabriolet

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Re: Replacing Push Rod Tubes
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2016, 06:09:30 PM »
Nice looking job.  So how did you mark the jugs to keep the left and right identified?  Seems like it would be easy to get them confused.  And how did you heat the jugs when you were ready to drive in the new tubes?  Wait for Pretty Wife to leave town so you could use the oven?   ":>) 8-)
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Re: Replacing Push Rod Tubes
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2016, 10:25:09 PM »
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Nice looking job.  So how did you mark the jugs to keep the left and right identified?  Seems like it would be easy to get them confused.  And how did you heat the jugs when you were ready to drive in the new tubes?  Wait for Pretty Wife to leave town so you could use the oven?  8-)

Two boxes for the pieces parts. One marked "Right". The other marked "Not Right". After cleaning the cylinders, marked each lower flange area using a Sharpie. One had an "R". Other had, well... you know.

No kitchen cookin' for me. Learned an ugly, painful lesson years ago about doing that. Hydraulic fluid leftover in an automotive master cylinder left a lovely full house potpourri. Nope. Set the cylinder on top of my shop KeroSun heater. Clamped a digital meat thermometer probe to a fin and cooked on high for about 30 minutes until well done. Serves two push rod tubes.
Monte Miller
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1978 BMW R100S
1981 BMW R65
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1995 Triumph Trophy
1986 VW Cabriolet

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Re: Replacing Push Rod Tubes
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2016, 06:39:26 PM »
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The same tool that extracts the old tubes will install the new ones. The tool is visible to the left of the jugs as is the machinist's square, or similar, you will need to confirm correct set depth of the new tubes.


Tool Monte? Something wrong with your front axle?
1978 R100RS| 1981 R100RS (JPS) | 1984 R65 | 1992 KLE500 | 2002 R1150GSA |

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Re: Replacing Push Rod Tubes
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2016, 07:02:39 PM »
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The same tool that extracts the old tubes will install the new ones. The tool is visible to the left of the jugs as is the machinist's square, or similar, you will need to confirm correct set depth of the new tubes.


Tool Monte? Something wrong with your front axle?

Having seen the mushroomed heads of the install tool after several bashings with a five-pound sledge hammer -including mine- I'd much rather pay the nine bucks for a tool than end up with a damaged axle. But that's just me.
Monte Miller
Denton, TEXAS
1978 BMW R100S
1981 BMW R65
1983 BMW R65
1995 Triumph Trophy
1986 VW Cabriolet

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Re: Replacing Push Rod Tubes
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2016, 04:51:30 PM »
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Having seen the mushroomed heads of the install tool after several bashings with a five-pound sledge hammer -including mine- I'd much rather pay the nine bucks for a tool than end up with a damaged axle. But that's just me.

Axle is ground hardened steel, my spare axle has done a number of new pushrod tubes with no sign of distress.

In fact, motorcycle axles generally make fine drifts - I have a selection, the oldest of which dates from the mid-70s, a CB750 rear axle. I have been whaleing on that poor thing for near 41 years and I reckon it would still fit a CB750 wheel and that a nut (with a bit of persuasion) would still run up on it.

I have never had to beat down too much on pushrod tubes, I have two thoughts, firstly that you didn't heat the barrels up enough and my second thought is that if your tool was soft steel, then the plastic deformation may well have been the extra resistance you had to overcome.


Having said that I give the tubes a wipe with white lead before driving them and have both the axle and the tubesin a freezer for a while.


And lastly I should also admit that I always have a spare tube or two on hand as I have been known to wreck one or two (perhaps my intiial "hit" is a little harder than yours).


Anyway, I'll bet you have a good feeling knowing that you now have "for life" pushrod tubes......
1978 R100RS| 1981 R100RS (JPS) | 1984 R65 | 1992 KLE500 | 2002 R1150GSA |

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Re: Replacing Push Rod Tubes
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2016, 05:34:17 PM »
Great tutorial Monte! Thanks for sharing.
Best regards,
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Re: Replacing Push Rod Tubes
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2016, 06:57:05 PM »
Nine US dollars well spent, Tony. And I recall your issues when you damaged push rod tubes. Those replacement tubes cost you more than a proper tool, correct?

Some folks chided me for buying a not-so-cheap tooling to remove and replace steering head bearings.
    "That much for just one job?"

To date, besides doing one of my R65s, I have assisted two other Airhead owners in replacing their worn out head bearings. I enjoy my tools, particularly when I can help others get their Airheads back on the road in a timely fashion. Down the road, some local rider will need my assist with a push rod tube replacement chore and I'll be ready to step up.

That's the way I roll.
Monte Miller
Denton, TEXAS
1978 BMW R100S
1981 BMW R65
1983 BMW R65
1995 Triumph Trophy
1986 VW Cabriolet

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Re: Replacing Push Rod Tubes
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2016, 10:09:56 PM »
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Nine US dollars well spent, Tony. And I recall your issues when you damaged push rod tubes. Those replacement tubes cost you more than a proper tool, correct?

Some folks chided me for buying a not-so-cheap tooling to remove and replace steering head bearings.
    "That much for just one job?"

To date, besides doing one of my R65s, I have assisted two other Airhead owners in replacing their worn out head bearings. I enjoy my tools, particularly when I can help others get their Airheads back on the road in a timely fashion. Down the road, some local rider will need my assist with a push rod tube replacement chore and I'll be ready to step up.

That's the way I roll.

Monte, whatever floats your boat. I reckon we have a broad church and recognize that there is usually more than one way to skin a cat.

1978 R100RS| 1981 R100RS (JPS) | 1984 R65 | 1992 KLE500 | 2002 R1150GSA |

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Re: Replacing Push Rod Tubes
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2016, 06:19:35 PM »
Spent Saturday and Sunday morning putting the top end back on the R100S. Stabbed the Bings into their rubbers, connected air tubes, headers -after correcting the PO's incorrect positioning of the solid and split rings twix butterfly nut and exhaust port- plus mufflers.

Installed a GEN lamp backup circuit using a 330-ohm resistor prior to putting the tank in place. The seat is always a PITA with those terrible pins that you have to catch in the holes of the seat hinge bits. What were those German engineers thinking?

Fuel on, enricheners set, key on, a quick prayer to the gods of Mottorad and... we are running at the button! Revs to about 3000 and back down several times to get some oil into the rockers. Later, a thorough inspection revealed no sign of oil where it should not be. Tomorrow will be a road ride.
Monte Miller
Denton, TEXAS
1978 BMW R100S
1981 BMW R65
1983 BMW R65
1995 Triumph Trophy
1986 VW Cabriolet