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Author Topic: Tire changing on an R65  (Read 1558 times)

Offline dziadzu42

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Tire changing on an R65
« on: November 21, 2015, 03:06:35 PM »
I've done my share…Full knobs with rim locks etc and they were tough.  But nothing like trying to put a 90/90-18 Avon on my front rim.  I knew it was going to be tough because taking off the Metzler Lazertec 90/90 was mo picnic.  But I must admit I can't put on the Avon.  And yes, I know how it's      done   soaped up….a bit of air in the tube…bead in the center groove of the rim for more slack….but it didn't work. How does one check to see if a tire is really a 90/90-18?  Is there something different with modern tires that must be done cause in the past, road tires were pieces of cake.  

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Re: Tire changing on an R65
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2015, 03:25:35 PM »
Welcome to the brave new world of motorcycle tyres. If you have an electric blanket wrap the tyre in it and give it an hour or so on high. Failing that, propping the tyre up in front of a fan heater will also do the job.
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Re: Tire changing on an R65
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2015, 04:19:44 AM »
I think the well on the front rim is too narrow which makes it more of a struggle to get the beads deep down into it. I know you don't want to pinch the tube but too much air in it won't help if it's pushing the beads apart. I wonder if some sort of clamp could be devised to force the beads together and help them drop into the well.  

If the Avon is a tubeless tire it will be stiffer therefore harder to fit so lots of heat is your only hope.  

Good luck with it.
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Re: Tire changing on an R65
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2015, 07:39:53 AM »
I've found genuine tire lube works the best for slicking up new sneakers.

I have a lifetime supply (1 gallon jug) of Ru-Glyde I got at napa years ago.

It's also nice to have around for temporarily lubricating rubber parts that are oil-sensitive.
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Re: Tire changing on an R65
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2015, 11:10:57 PM »
Without the tube the Avon's practically mount them self in comparison.
The issue is getting the tube out of the center well and the tire bead in as Barry stated
I am running the AM26's   tube less  and it is a breeze to mount them now
Like Luca said get some real tire lube and mount it up without the tube and you will be shocked how easy it is to mount and seat the bead!!!! :)
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Re: Tire changing on an R65
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2015, 08:29:31 AM »
I found this article on   http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/blogs/richard/an-easy-way-to-ruin-your-tires.aspx

What do you make of it?

King of cheap that I am, I routinely find myself installing tires for one reason or another. When it comes to getting that rubber to slip over the rim, I typically use whatever slippery liquid I have at hand, including soap, oil and grease, without much thought to how it might interact with the rim. According to the following tech tip posted on Randakk’s Cycle Shakk at www.randakks.com, the type of rim plays a role in what you use to grease that tire into position. – Richard Backus

The following Tech Tip is courtesy of Honda GL parts and restoration specialist Randall Washington at Randakk’s Cycle Shakk, and was supplied to Randakk’s by noted GL1100 guru Howard Halasz. Howard is a frequent contributor of technical columns and other information to GWRRA's Wing World Magazine (www.wingworldmag.com). This Tech Tip applies to any motorcycle with aluminum rims:

If you decide to change your own tires, you can safely use soapy water as a lubricant to dismount the old tire and mount the new tire.

However, if your rim is made of anything other than chrome plated or stainless steel, I do not advise you to use soapy water.

A local Honda dealer here in Houston installed new tires, front and rear, on my customer's 1999 GL1500SE Last week the customer brought his Gold Wing to my shop to install new fork seals and steering head bearings. He told me that his front tire had a slow leak.

It turned out that the tire itself was not leaking. I checked the tire, valve stem, and valve for leaks using water from my garden hose. I found no leaks. Then I checked for leaks around the rim between the rim and tire bead. By this time, bubbles were flowing like an Alka-Seltzer tablet in a glass of water!

I dismounted the tire from the rim, and found some grayish white powdery corrosion. This corrosion usually forms after a tire is lubricated with soapy water. Apparently, the soap in the soapy water had enough sodium hydroxide (the stuff that makes soap slippery) to corrode the alloy rims that are used on later model Gold Wings. Parts of the rim were also pitted right where the bead contacts the inside of the rim.

If you ever get a chance, look at the ingredients on a can of Drano or Sani-Flush. You'll find that products such as Drano contain sodium hydroxide, also known as lye. Sprinkle some Drano into an empty aluminum foil pie pan. Then sprinkle some water into the pan and watch the bottom of the aluminum pan literally evaporate, leaving a grayish white powder behind.

A similar, but less severe chemical reaction takes place when soapy water is used as a lubricant for tire mounting and dismounting.

One optional lubricant is Lemon Pledge furniture polish. Now the dismount and remount job is so easy that even a caveman can do it!

But now the problem with Lemon Pledge furniture polish is that the first time our caveman friend slams on the brakes, the rim will stop, but the motorcycle will act like the Energizer Bunny and keep rolling! Now the tire beads are so slippery that there isn't enough friction between the rim and tire bead to keep the tire from slipping around the rim!

During my 43 years as a motorcycle technician, I've tried everything from Vaseline, axle grease, rear end gear oil, motor oil, soapy water, Crisco, Mazola oil, olive oil, 3-in-1 oil, WD-40, Lionel electric train oil, cod liver oil, castor oil, and candle wax to Vicks Vapo-Rub. All of these products had major drawbacks when it came to tire mounting lubricant and sealant!

I finally found a product that will ease the mounting and dismounting of a motorcycle tire. This product also acts as a sealant. The product is known as a protectant. Two brand names of such protectants are STP Son-Of-A Gun and Armor-All Protectant. These products are used exclusively in my shop, and they can be purchased at most auto parts stores and discount store automotive departments.

If you choose to have your local Honda dealer or certified Honda technician change your tires, I highly recommend that you insist telling your service people, 'PLEASE DO NOT USE SOAPY WATER TO MOUNT MY NEW TIRES. USE A LUBRICANT THAT IS SAFE AND FREE OF ALKALIS, SUCH AS A PROTECTANT.' "

Howard Halasz, Wing World Technical Contributor - Houston, TX


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Re: Tire changing on an R65
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2015, 06:51:40 AM »
I think he'd be OK with Ru-Glyde  ;)
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Re: Tire changing on an R65
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2015, 11:43:35 AM »
Sounds true enough as all soaps are alkali and even very mild soap is slightly alkali. Ru-Glyde is a type of liquid soap and it contains some potassium Hydroxide so it must also be mildly alkali. I guess it's all in the formulation.

If tempted to use soap then milder the better as it will have a PH close to neutral. Perhaps something like baby soap would be ok.
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Re: Tire changing on an R65
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2015, 01:53:57 PM »
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I think he'd be OK with Ru-Glyde  ;)

I will second that
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