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Offline Luca

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Re: Frozen clutch, tried diff't "pop" methods, next...
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2015, 06:12:13 AM »
Sure seems like the clutch was slipping and started to burn, which means it's moving.  If it still wont change gears maybe it's hung up on the transmission input shaft.

Changing the clutch isn't too bad of a job, especially if you can do it indoors on a carpeted floor  ;)
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Re: Frozen clutch, tried diff't "pop" methods, next...
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2015, 02:31:56 PM »
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Sure seems like the clutch was slipping and started to burn, which means it's moving.  If it still wont change gears maybe it's hung up on the transmission input shaft.

Changing the clutch isn't too bad of a job, especially if you can do it indoors on a carpeted floor  ;)

My days of indoor builds are over for now, to the garage I go. But that is OK. I am going to hopefully tear into it in next week or so. Will keep all posted on progress. Might do new subframe and seat in process. Oh and new springs, the Boges (however you spell it) are just the worst.

Offline Ed Miller

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Re: Frozen clutch, tried diff't "pop" methods, next...
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2015, 05:06:43 PM »
When I bought my '58 Chevy the clutch was frozen up.  It lacked the cover on the bottom (still does, actually) and we freed it up with my dad in the cab, foot on the clutch, whilst I was under the truck poking a screwdriver in between the clutch disk and flywheel.

I have never looked through our bike's inspection hole toward the rear; is it possible to see and reach the clutch disk from that hole? The method did not require enough force to damage either clutch disk, flywheel, or screw driver.
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Re: Frozen clutch, tried diff't "pop" methods, next...
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2015, 08:34:18 AM »
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When I bought my '58 Chevy the clutch was frozen up.  It lacked the cover on the bottom (still does, actually) and we freed it up with my dad in the cab, foot on the clutch, whilst I was under the truck poking a screwdriver in between the clutch disk and flywheel.

I have never looked through our bike's inspection hole toward the rear; is it possible to see and reach the clutch disk from that hole? The method did not require enough force to damage either clutch disk, flywheel, or screw driver.

I never thought to even check! I will the moment I get home tonight. Thanks Ed!

Offline donbmw

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Re: Frozen clutch, tried diff't "pop" methods, next...
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2015, 10:47:37 AM »
You are not going to get to the clutch with out removing the transmission.

Don
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Re: Frozen clutch, tried diff't "pop" methods, next...
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2015, 01:11:02 PM »
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You are not going to get to the clutch with out removing the transmission.

Don

Too far back from the timing hole?  Oh well, he's probably due for a spline lube anyway.  
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Re: Frozen clutch, tried diff't "pop" methods, next...
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2015, 06:09:11 PM »
As expected with the bike sitting in an unheated garage through 2 winters, I found the clutch to be frozen when I went to start the bike today.  Having learned from earlier years, I put the bike up for the winter in neutral, so no issue with the clutch or gears getting the engine started.  Walked i over to a wall, and with the clutch lever pulled in while the front tire was braced against the wall and just a little above idle (aroune 1500 - 2000 rpm) I dropped it into first gear.  With a little jolt, it broke free.  

Seems to be part of the annual spring start-up for me.

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Re: Frozen clutch, tried diff't "pop" methods, next...
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2015, 07:54:30 AM »
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As expected with the bike sitting in an unheated garage through 2 winters, I found the clutch to be frozen when I went to start the bike today.  Having learned from earlier years, I put the bike up for the winter in neutral, so no issue with the clutch or gears getting the engine started.  Walked i over to a wall, and with the clutch lever pulled in while the front tire was braced against the wall and just a little above idle (aroune 1500 - 2000 rpm) I dropped it into first gear.  With a little jolt, it broke free.  

Seems to be part of the annual spring start-up for me.

k_enn

I wish I had your luck K_enn... i did the wall-brace and it never unfroze... taking apart this week finally... fingers crossed for nothing major and just a clutch/pressure plate replace.

Offline Mike V

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Re: Frozen clutch, tried diff't "pop" methods, next...
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2015, 08:58:48 AM »
tc,

Try this.  Snowbum explains efforts to release a stuck clutch. Scroll down towards the end of the page after executing the link.

http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/clutch.htm

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Re: Frozen clutch, tried diff't "pop" methods, next...
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2015, 10:23:58 AM »
I'm surprised that I didn't have this happen to me when I lived in Chicago, for years the last thing I would do, was to wash the bike, then put it in the back of the garage until April or so .

After 10 years of doing this, I changed my routine, I would take the bike out and put about 10 miles on it after washing it .

I know I caused an early demise of the brake master cylinder because of this, didn't get 10 years until it started leaking  .
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Re: Frozen clutch, tried diff't "pop" methods, next...
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2015, 01:04:03 PM »
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tc,

Try this.  Snowbum explains efforts to release a stuck clutch. Scroll down towards the end of the page after executing the link.

http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/clutch.htm


Mike, really appreciate it. Snowbum's site was the first place I looked for a solution and tried all his methods...

What confuses me the most is this.
If the bike is turned off completely. I can put in 1st gear(or any gear) pull in the clutch lever and the bike will roll freely. When I let the lever out, it no longer rolls, which is working as expected.
It is not until the engine is on that pulling the clutch lever no longer does anything. It is so baffling frustrating, missing some prime riding weather down here.

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Re: Frozen clutch, tried diff't "pop" methods, next...
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2015, 01:18:28 PM »
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tc,

Try this.  Snowbum explains efforts to release a stuck clutch. Scroll down towards the end of the page after executing the link.

http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/clutch.htm


Mike, really appreciate it. Snowbum's site was the first place I looked for a solution and tried all his methods...

What confuses me the most is this.
If the bike is turned off completely. I can put in 1st gear(or any gear) pull in the clutch lever and the bike will roll freely. When I let the lever out, it no longer rolls, which is working as expected.
It is not until the engine is on that pulling the clutch lever no longer does anything. It is so baffling frustrating, missing some prime riding weather down here.

Your description almost sounds like the through out bearing going bad and the clutch pushrod welding to the pressure plate. My R90 was like that when this happen to me.

Don
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Re: Frozen clutch, tried diff't "pop" methods, next...
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2015, 03:50:50 PM »
Time to pull the gear box and see what's up.
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Re: Frozen clutch, tried diff't "pop" methods, next...
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2015, 10:49:07 AM »
Anyone know where i can buy the centering arbor tool?? I found just one from a site that no longer appears to be in business... or maybe how i can make one (without welding as i dont have a welder)>???

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