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Crossrodes

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Wave Washers
« on: October 01, 2014, 01:20:03 PM »
I believe for me to buy new wave washers I have to go to the BMW dealer which is about 100 km from here.  I noticed that the screws that hold down the vent cover are missing the wave washers.  Is there anything special about these wave washers or can you just replace them with a flat washer and a lock washer?

Offline montmil

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Re: Wave Washers
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2014, 05:21:47 PM »
Both Lowe's and Home Depot carry metric wave washers in the hardware section. That's where I buy mine.

Also lucky to have an industrial supply biz here in town with a good selection of metrics. They even let me poke around to find what I need. "Just write down the bin number and how many you stuffed in your pocket. We'll settle up." That's business done Texas-style.
Monte Miller
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Offline Tony Smith

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Re: Wave Washers
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2014, 05:52:05 PM »
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 Is there anything special about these wave washers or can you just replace them with a flat washer and a lock washer?

There is nothing special about them. To be honest, a fastener correctly torqued with a flat washer will retain tension 9,999 times out of 10,000. If the one in 10,000 chance worries you, use a little blue locktite and you will have better retention than a wave washer anyway.

I have no compunction whatever in replacing wave or split washers with flat stainless steel ones and I have *never* had one back off on me.

I'm not fantatical about it, but when the opportunity presents itself I replace standard capscrews and bolts with 316 stainless varieties.
 
Cue Monte warning that 316 stainless is a lower strength grade than the fasteners used by BMW.  My response is that they were over spec'd anyway, the roads are not littered with the corpses of motorcyclists who replaced their machines bolts and screws with stainless steel ones and then had them fail, causing an accident.

The one thing I do totally agree with Monte on is that when playing with stainless steel screws and bolts, unless you are lucky enough to score ones with rolled (as opposed to cut) threads, there is no such thing as a "dry" trial fit, stainless threads must always be lubricated. I used whichever is nearer to hand of Moly wheel bearing grease or dedicated copper based anti seize. There are products that claim to be specifically designed for stainless steel threads, my practical experience is that they are not required and that grease or copper anti-seize work just fine.
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Re: Wave Washers
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2014, 08:01:51 AM »
Referencing my sources of metric wavy washers, neither did I state nor imply that the washers are stainless steel. They are not. Just real steel.
Monte Miller
Denton, TEXAS
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Re: Wave Washers
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2014, 09:05:49 AM »
Wave washers are designed to work by spring tension, like belleville washers.  By torquing a fastener with a spring-type washer to about 80% of the washer's lay-flat pressure, you allow the washer to manage the pressure under the fastener and accommodate thermal expansion and contraction, and also resist loosening from vibration.  Useful for steel constructions.

Split lock washers are spring washers, but are also designed to cut into the fastener/whatever it goes into as the fastener loosens, locking the fastener in place  When fully flat these won't necessarily do more than a plain washer, but if the fastener starts to loosen they will bite in.

While split locks do work better for locking, they also bite into aluminum.  For that reason, I use wave washers under steel going into aluminum, like all the engine covers screws on our engines.  Threadlocker works too, but every time you take a bolt out you'll have to clean it and goop it up again.

Even in non critical applications, 316 stainless is about as far from here to Texas as aluminum on the galvanic scale.  I'm sure our resident Texan experimental aviator can tell you about that.  Cadmium, the plating originally used on the BMW fasteners, is right next to aluminum and gives little galvanic action.

as always, YMMV and we can keep it simple--most well stocked hardware stores should have metric wave washers.  Some standard sizes are pretty close to metric and can serve as substitutes.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2014, 09:39:13 AM by Luca »
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Re: Wave Washers
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2014, 02:46:55 PM »
I don't remember ever seeing wave washers at Ace Hardware, which is odd because I think they have a really good selection of stuff like that.  I'll try to find some next time I go there.
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Re: Wave Washers
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2014, 03:12:03 PM »
Ace Hardware stores are independent owners utilizing group buying power so inventory can vary between stores. My local Ace quit 'em due to increasing costs of having the Ace name on the store. Now a DIY store. Ace or DIY, the local store had a good selection of metric hardware including those easier-to-pick-up-off-the-floor wavy washers.
Monte Miller
Denton, TEXAS
1978 BMW R100S
1981 BMW R65
1983 BMW R65
1995 Triumph Trophy
1986 VW Cabriolet