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Author Topic: R65 Shifting  (Read 4192 times)

Offline Julio A.

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R65 Shifting
« on: May 24, 2010, 06:56:09 AM »
I noticed lately that when I shift up or down, there is "grinding gear" feeling before it completely shift or sometime it does not shift at all.
I also noticed when I rev it up a little before shifting up or when I rev down before shifting down, the R65 shifts smoothly.

is it really like that or should I adjust the clutch?  

Julio Alarcon
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Patrick_Krivacka

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Re: R65 Shifting
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2010, 07:13:05 AM »
Hey Julio. I had the same problem when I first got my r65. I did adjust my clutch, but I don't think that was the problem. for me, it was coming from a wet clutch' on the bike before the r65, and trying to shift the r65 the same way. Once I got a 'feel' for the r65 the grinding went away. I'll be interested in what some of our more experienced members have to say, but if your coming from a wet clutch to the r65, then it might be a matter of adjusting your riding style as much as adjusting your clutch, as it was for me.

Offline Ed Miller

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Re: R65 Shifting
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2010, 01:28:50 PM »
My experience is the same as i-man's.  I used to get false neutrals and stuff, but now I hardly ever do.  I just got better at shifing it.

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Re: R65 Shifting
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2010, 02:26:51 PM »
I have started to shift by applying pressure to the shifter and then using the clutch.  This seems to help.  Are there other techniques?.  Havent used a shifter on bikes since the 1980s..

Offline Bob_Roller

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Re: R65 Shifting
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2010, 03:04:25 PM »
If adjusting the clutch cable, or a different shifting technique doesn't help your shifting, there is one more possibility, the transmission input splines may be dry and rusted, causing the clutch disc not to move properly when the clutch lever is pulled in .
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Offline Justin B.

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Re: R65 Shifting
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2010, 04:42:05 PM »
Pre-load lever when up-shifting and "blip" the throttle between gears when down-shifting with clutch.  This is a non-synchro transmission...
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Re: R65 Shifting
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2010, 05:18:12 PM »
Thanks Bob & Justin, sline lube done week before last, new clutch cable, piston bearing and spring. clutch cable is in all the way both at lever (to maintain the 201 mm dist) and at tranny end.   I'll start following justins preload & 'blip' technique

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Re: R65 Shifting
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2010, 05:03:32 AM »
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I'll start following justins preload & 'blip' technique

Preload and blip made all the difference on my gear shifting. I only get ocasional grinding from 1st to 2nd gears but goes away if I shift slowly (1st -> neutral -> 2nd), or I match correctly revs / rotation :)

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Re: R65 Shifting
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2010, 08:22:52 AM »
What a relief... Im always a bit paranoid and think the worst.  Especially after 1. discovering that the clutch rod and bearings were a mass of rusted metal and bearings dropping all over the floor  after removing the piston, 2. the condition of the oil in the tranny 3, dropping the tranny from the workbench to a concrete floor and finally finding a 5 mm piece of metal in the drain plug after the 1st transmission oil flush.

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Re: R65 Shifting
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2010, 01:43:58 AM »
When I bought mine last fall there was suppossed to be a transmission problem but with a re and re, total inspection and oil change, clutch and plate checks, splines, the only problem I found was a severly bent foot peg that prevented the shift from going into gear clean but even when I tested the bike I could really find no problem the secret is to shift slow and positive they do not like to be shifted fast like many of the asian bikes.  I've owned a lot of other models and makes but this is my first beemer, and I'm liking it a lot, I now have over 4000 miles on it since Feb 24th and not a grind or missed shift unless I tried to rush the transmission.  One of the people I ride with is a diehard beemer fan he's never owned anything but beemers, lots of them both with and without sidecars he's told me the transmission is one of the best he's ever seem in over 30 years of beemers so I'm not worried any more.  After all it was meant to ride strong for a long time and I believe it.  But 55,000 miles in 30 years is really peanuts, it's bearly broke in.  Also handles gravel road nicely even large marble size stones and loose sand with the lower center of gravity it's way better than my old dispatch riders harley 45 but doesn't have the stump pulling power of the longer stroke harley but no oil leaks if far better.  Drove some loging roads and wash outs sand pits and big puddles on the weekend even got it dirty enough to clean.  I haven't had this much fun in years.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2010, 01:51:44 AM by bubby-joe »

Offline k_enn

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Re: R65 Shifting
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2010, 02:48:53 PM »
Other than an occasional slip into neutral instead of a gear on shift (mostly between 2nd and 3rd), it has always shifted well.  

I never knew it was a non-synchro transmission.  It always takes the shift smoothly regardless of rpm/gear/wheel speed.  

Maybe I just got one of the good ones.   [smiley=smiley.gif]

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Re: R65 Shifting
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2014, 10:08:37 PM »
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Pre-load lever when up-shifting and "blip" the throttle between gears when down-shifting with clutch.  This is a non-synchro transmission...

Is the pre-load just a moderate upward pressure on the lever just before shifting?  Or would it be more of a light pressure?  (I'm experimenting with smooth shifts, and I don't want to screw up and hear something horrendous down there).

I recently started to wait a second or so with the clutch in when up-shifting.  The tranny seemed to protest less that way.  I assume it has something to do with the engine speed needing to slow down slightly.  

Offline Barry

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Re: R65 Shifting
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2014, 02:31:01 AM »
Pre-load is taking the slack out of the lever just until you feel resistance, then when the clutch is pulled it will pop into the next gear.

Up changes should be very smooth, in fact if you want the smoothest upward changes especially in the top couple of gears forget using the clutch.

Changing down smoothly is more of a challenge. I find it easier blipping the throttle when riding in a spirited fashion and using some revs. At lower speeds it's harder to time and I do get some clonks. When changing the gearbox oil recently after 2 years there was almost nothing on the magnet so it can't be doing much harm.  
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Offline Julio A.

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Re: R65 Shifting
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2014, 03:18:14 AM »
Wow, this is a very old thread. After 4 years of using the bike though, the transmission shifts beautifully when I got used to it.
Julio Alarcon
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Offline Luca

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Re: R65 Shifting
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2014, 07:03:46 AM »
Well since it's back alive...

don't just preload the lever, but hold the lever up until you have fully let the clutch out.  False neutrals will disappear (you will feel it make the second step into gear if you were gonna get a false neutral).
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