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Author Topic: Throttle Sticking  (Read 2958 times)

ddebonis

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Throttle Sticking
« on: October 26, 2013, 03:48:40 PM »
Hello!

So I've noticed my throttle is a little sticky when opened. It doesn't want to close on it's own. I opened the throttle body and it's well lubed. Doesn't seem to be any interference along the throttle cable. Owner's manual says DO NOT lube the cable. So... any ideas on how to get it to snap closed more easily?

Thanks!

Danny

P.S. I've got a handful other other issues I need help with. Keep an eye out for posts on carbs, timing, and rear wheel play. :)

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Re: Throttle Sticking
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2013, 04:19:02 PM »
There are throttle return springs on each carb, check to see if they are still there .

Possible that one or more of the throttle cables is worn and binding up .
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Re: Throttle Sticking
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2013, 05:08:17 PM »
Throttle tube around the handlebar could be dirty/gummy/sticky...
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Re: Throttle Sticking
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2013, 05:52:27 PM »
Hello !
Also check the plastic tube under the tank where the cable from the handlebar split in two to get to the carbs. sometimes, the metal cable tensioner gets so rusty, it seize the cable passing into it.

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Re: Throttle Sticking
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2013, 05:39:32 AM »
The throttle and choke springs and their linkages on my carburetors were pretty rusted. It may be worth  cleaning up the pieces and possibly replacing the springs.  Dave2

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Re: Throttle Sticking
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2013, 10:53:36 AM »
When this happened to me, it was the lube on the gear that the throttle spins that had hardened..  If I were you I'd figure it out before riding too much more.. My case actually exacerbated some pavement surfing...

(As I went down, I had the clutch in, so when I let go of the clutch, the transmission re-engaged with the throttle stuck and the bike sorta slammed me into the road. Hello separated ribs!)
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Re: Throttle Sticking
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2013, 11:18:32 AM »
The teeth on the throttle tube that has the rubber grip on it, and the gear inside the throttle housing wear out also and cause a binding throttle as well .
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Re: Throttle Sticking
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2013, 06:16:36 PM »
Looks like in your profile pic you have stock mirrors, but since it is somewhat relevant I'll point out that bar end mirrors have a way of rubbing grips and adding friction to the throttle grip, especially when the rubber isn't cut squarely.

While you don't want to lube the cable, you DO want to lube the cable ends, both at the grip and at both carburetors.

You can perform a simple test to see if the throttle grip is causing the problem.  Disconnect the cable up at the handlebars and pull on it.  If the action is smooth, the suspect is at the top end.  If not, you can disconnect the lower end and check the action at the carburetors.  If they are smooth, it is most likely a worn cable.
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ddebonis

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Re: Throttle Sticking
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2013, 07:19:45 PM »
Thanks for all the advice.

Funny enough, Matt, I dropped my bike for the first time ever thing morning on the way to the garage. But because I hit a patch of sand when I was braking. Bike fell out from under me. Didn't realize what was happening until it was too late. I hope in the future I have the reflexes to release the front brake and avoid the fall.

The throttle body is fine. The springs look fine. I can examine the lever on the carbs to see if they are sticking, but I think it's the cable. I notices it's frayed and it must be getting caught in the tube.

Gonna look more closely on thursday. I'll give an update.

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Re: Throttle Sticking
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2013, 11:32:03 AM »
If there's a frayed cable I would replace it stat.  Pretty tough to make it anywhere when it lets go while you're on the road.

I recently replaced a throttle cable.  I noticed it was about to give up the ghost when I took the left carb off to have the exhaust valve worked.  Very easy replacement process, probably even without removing the carb.
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bruce_launceston

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Re: Throttle Sticking
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2013, 05:09:54 AM »
The cables can fray in the little splitter box as well, plus the box can crack or get gummed up. In my case it was mainly worn gears on the throttle tube and the matching cog that needed replacing. I did cut a donut from a thin teflon sheet (cheap cutting board from the kitchen) and fit it between the throttle grip and the switch block. It eliminates any sticktion at this point. It's a Ducati detail and a good idea that I stole.
Also I only use light oil on the handlebar inside the throttle tube instead of grease because the grease dries out and gums things up.

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Re: Throttle Sticking
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2013, 07:36:25 AM »
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I hit a patch of sand when I was braking. Bike fell out from under me. Didn't realize what was happening until it was too late. I hope in the future I have the reflexes to release the front brake and avoid the fall.

Haven't we all done that or come close. I think you have to be very quick to avoid a fall unless the speed is very low.
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Re: Throttle Sticking
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2013, 11:00:09 AM »
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Haven't we all done that or come close.

Good thing the R65 has those outriggers to catch the bike when it falls over.  ::)
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ddebonis

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Re: Throttle Sticking
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2013, 07:27:21 PM »
Good news: I have fresh new throttle cables!

Bad news: Throttle still sticks. But I needed new cables anyway since they were fraying.

I'll take a closer look at the upper throttle assembly.

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Re: Throttle Sticking
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2013, 04:39:47 AM »
Regarding MotoDeBonis post: about 10 years ago here, we had an epidemic of some animal disease affecting farm livestock. So when leaving the country (at the Channel Tunnel) vehicles had to drive slowly through a sheep-dip affair, a kind of trench full of disinfectant. I went through on my Kawasaki GT and touched the front brake when I came up on to the level. Down I went, instantly. Who would have imagined that disinfectant can be as slippery as oil?