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Author Topic: Front Brakes Locked Up  (Read 1158 times)

Offline Dave 2

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Front Brakes Locked Up
« on: August 22, 2013, 06:21:44 AM »
Yesterday I went for a short ride on my 1983 LS (less than 1/2 hour).  On my return, within several hundred yards of my driveway I could tell something was not right. When I got off the bike the front brakes were firmly locked. There was no free play at the lever and all the pads were in contact with the two front discs. After sitting for about another 1/2 hour the brakes had eased up and I good drive her into my garage. I think my disc are clean since I completely went over them during the restoration. Any Ideas on what is happening would be appreciated. P.S. Monte, my son took some nice pics of the bike and me which I'll post latter today [smiley=bmw_smiley.gif]

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Re: Front Brakes Locked Up
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2013, 07:22:18 AM »
Hello Dave,
On the Master Cylinder, at the bowl connection, there are TWO holes. One "big" and one microscopic. The later one is clogged and prevent the brake fluid to return to the bowl, releasing the brake pressure.
You are good for a MC removal and cleaning....
P.S. both holes are on a circular recess. And buy a new O-ring (put between the bowl and the MC) otherwise you'll have brake fluid corroding the MC.....

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Re: Front Brakes Locked Up
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2013, 09:19:55 AM »
Yep. As George says, the problem is likely to be the brake fluid return hole in the bottom of the master cylinder.

With your rebuild, you've probably got fresh fluid in the MC reservoir. Remove the top and activate the brake lever while watching for a "disturbance in the force" at  the bottom of the reservoir.

Small diameter bit of copper wire can open the hole and unlock your brakes.

Try a good flush with fresh fluid before you tear into the master cylinder. Reverse bleeding may also be beneficial.

Looking forward to your latest photos. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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Re: Front Brakes Locked Up
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2013, 12:10:46 PM »
Thank You Gentlemen, I will begin sorting that out as soon as time allows. I also believe that my steering head bearings are not tight enough, although I thought that I had gotten them as tight as possible. I kept thinking that the front end would swing to either the left or right too quickly when on the center stand. A week ago I rode some twenty miles over a road in very bad repair and I think the front end is worse. When I first had the bike out in June I did the hit the end of the handlebar thing to see if it would set up any wobble...it did not, Yesterday I had lots of wobble when I hit the end of the handle bars at 40MPH. So I need to get to that as well as the brakes.  D2

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Re: Front Brakes Locked Up
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2013, 04:46:54 PM »
Too tight a steering head will give you low speed wobble and trouble keeping the bike pointed in a straight line.  Too loose will give you trouble at high speed.  You want them tight enough, not as tight as you can get them.

Bearings should spin freely.  If you tighten the steering head to the point where the bars don't fall to the side, or do so very slowly, your bearings are too tight and are perhaps getting damaged.  If the bearings are shot, you cant fix that with more preload because that amounts to adding axial force to fix lateral slop.  Harder to notice on something like a steering head as opposed to a set of wheel bearings.

Too loose and you will have free play.  Bike on centerstand, front wheel off the ground, grab the forks from the front and try to push them fore/aft.  I rode a Yamaha with a totally shot steering head set.  When I hit the brakes I could hear a little thunk and the bars would move forward as they pivoted at the bearings.

Steering heads are usually neglected.  As the grease dries up they get stiffer, and I think many of us get used to that feel.  Poor cable routing also will add to the stiffness.
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Re: Front Brakes Locked Up
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2013, 06:16:23 PM »
Thank you Luca, I just finished a restoration so the bearings are new and hopefully not damaged and  are properly packed. I appreciate your observations and will keep them in mind as I sort this through. D2

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Re: Front Brakes Locked Up
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2013, 06:25:19 AM »
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With your rebuild, you've probably got fresh fluid in the MC reservoir. Remove the top and activate the brake lever while watching for a "disturbance in the force" at  the bottom of the reservoir.

Small diameter bit of copper wire can open the hole and unlock your brakes.
 
OK, I opened up the reservoir but could see no disturbance in the fluid when I applied the front brake lever. I also can not see the microscopic hole ;D is it on the top of the little bump at the base of thee reservoir? Tonight I'll get out me super cheaters and see what I see under magnification. As to photos I'm waiting for number one (and only son) to e-mail me a few that he took this past week. D2

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Re: Front Brakes Locked Up
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2013, 08:02:52 AM »
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With your rebuild, you've probably got fresh fluid in the MC reservoir. Remove the top and activate the brake lever while watching for a "disturbance in the force" at  the bottom of the reservoir.

Small diameter bit of copper wire can open the hole and unlock your brakes.
 
OK, I opened up the reservoir but could see no disturbance in the fluid when I applied the front brake lever. I also can not see the microscopic hole ;D is it on the top of the little bump at the base of thee reservoir? Tonight I'll get out me super cheaters and see what I see under magnification. As to photos I'm waiting for number one (and only son) to e-mail me a few that he took this past week. D2

Ah yes, cheaters...

Borrow your wife's turkey baster and draw out most all the brake fluid in the reservoir. Leave enough to keep the valving covered so as not to draw air into the system. Those cheaters, a strong flashlight and your small wire probe should allow you to spot the fluid return hole.

If you're not seeing a small eruption of fluid in the bottom of the MC, you're clogged, dude... uh, Dave.
Monte Miller
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Re: Front Brakes Locked Up
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2013, 08:31:40 PM »
I'm surly clogged! As a guy who ran my cylinders through the dishwasher to get ride of any glass bead residue the idea of a sacrificial turkey baster is just great thanks, for the inspiration. Dave 2..."turkey Baster? What Turkey Baster ::) Dave 2