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Author Topic: Blown spark plug.  (Read 3334 times)

livingdeadhead

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Re: Blown spark plug.
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2013, 06:49:13 AM »
heres another one, when driving out a brake piston using air pressure (if you've not got a piston tool) put the caliper in a carrier bag, it saves tha embarrassment of asking your neighbours for it back!

Offline montmil

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Re: Blown spark plug.
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2013, 07:46:15 AM »
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...  I love little tricks like this. Unless its just a sick joke. Then Ive been had...

It's the real deal with the panty hose. Thongs just don't work as well. ;)
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1983 BMW R65
1995 Triumph Trophy
1986 VW Cabriolet

livingdeadhead

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Re: Blown spark plug.
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2013, 02:59:46 PM »
tights are a godsend! you can make a temporary fan belt with 'em ! knew a girl at school who had terrible eczema , the only thing she could wear round her neck were tights , worn as a scarf to stop the itching , also make a good filter ! downside is the g/f doesn't wear 'em ! prefers to tan instead, loads of thongs , only thing they do is whale tail! lol

Offline Tony Smith

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Re: Blown spark plug.
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2013, 06:38:41 PM »
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if youre unwilling to take off the head, and on a bmw flat twin its much easier than a jap four!

That's the bit I don't get. Given that it take only a few minutes to pull the head off and a set of head gaskets is well under $20, if it were my bike and I had just bought it, I'd be pulling the heads off anyway to have a look at the valves and guides (dropped valves being a leading cause of premature airhead injury and/or death) and frankly I'd probably throw rings at it too given their low cost so that I was starting from a known base.
 
Helicoils are at best a temporary fix for a sparkplug, you will find that combustion products will inevitably migrate their way up the thread and sooner of later you will wind the coil out with the sparkplug.  Not to mention that you have to clean break the installation tang once you wind the coil in and a clean break can only be guaranteed (on a genuine helicoil, not so with some other similar systems) by a "downwards" break which potentially leaves you with the problem of fishing for the tang with either a magnet or a wad of grease soaked rag on the end of a flexible rod.

With the head out you have two choices, mediated by your ability/willingness to spend money. (1) have the head welded up and a new Sparkplug hole and set made, or (2) have a hardened steel insert fitted - the type that ever use steel "tangs" to anchor them or the type that use a "crowded thread" to permanently lock them in place.
 
I have used Helicoils to repair sparkplug holes, but based on experience I can only regard it as a temporary fix.
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daveschile

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Re: Blown spark plug.
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2013, 08:15:19 PM »
I agree with you Tony.  Unfortunately, I'm in the process of an RV rebuild and overwhelming 'real' job work, and blah blah, just no time.  I did the helicoil in 10 minutes and she's good to go.  

I've got a bunch of stuff to do on this bike to get to base-line since its new to me.  So all the chores add up, heads, rings and valve guides are on page 2. Spline lube is this weekend.  

By the way, the 'Sav-A-Thread' kit by helicoil (made for spark plugs) doesn't use that break away tang.  After seating it, you give it a wack with this mandrel-punch thingy that comes with the kit.  Apparently the knurled parts of the outer helicoil dig into the aluminum and it stays in place.

livingdeadhead

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Re: Blown spark plug.
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2013, 04:43:33 AM »
and if youre going to take off one you may as well do both ! just because someone over tightened a spark plug!

Offline montmil

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Re: Blown spark plug.
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2013, 08:59:26 AM »
Good call, Dave.[smiley=thumbup.gif]  Fixed your tractor the Airhead way.

You just might be a good candidate for the Airhead Beemer Club.

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1983 BMW R65
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livingdeadhead

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Re: Blown spark plug.
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2013, 09:36:49 AM »
these? http://www.helicoil.com.sg/HeliCoil-Thread-Repair-Kits.shtml
these look like a permanent repair! excellent!  :)

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Offline Luca

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Re: Blown spark plug.
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2013, 09:15:41 PM »
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Good call, Dave.  Fixed your tractor the Airhead way.

Yep.  Worst that would probably happen is he blows the heli-coil out too... if it ever does.  If that were the case a good welding shop could probably have it right for a decent price, or he could pick up a used head.

But not to worry, she'll be right mate
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daveschile

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Re: Blown spark plug.
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2013, 02:39:05 PM »
Absolutely!  There's a tech day in Orange County on the 24th and I plan to sign up and get my number. [smiley=thumbup.gif]