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Author Topic: Bings, any differences??  (Read 2188 times)

Offline Luca

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Re: Bings, any differences??
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2013, 06:09:44 PM »
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An obvious thing to do is to check for stiction.

And on that note, don't lubricate your slides.  The oil will just pick up very fine dust and get gummy with the heat of the engine.  Might be possible that the PO did and it's causing you some grief.

Also, if the fuel flow ( jetting really) was different between the two carbs, I'd expect a lot of vibration, as the cylinders would be out of sync.  Your problem, as stated in your other post, is that the engine gives up holding revs in fifth gear.  Seems like a fuel delivery issue to me (as opposed to metering).  Have you taken off the float bowls and measure how much fuel you get out within a minute of opening up the fuel tap?  I don't have the number off hand, but you can find out if enough gas is getting to your carbs.


Could be a collapsed line, clogged petcock screen, pinched fuel line (including under the airbox), poor tank venting, etc.  It just doesnt seem right that a bad diaphragm or difference between carb jetting would let you get to 70MPH and hold it for a minute or two before it gave you some real problems.
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Re: Bings, any differences??
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2013, 08:26:11 PM »
On the dome top carbs the slide rides on a bearing/shaft hanging from the top (dome). On the flat top carbs, the slide gets pulled toward the engine by intake vacuum, making throttle response less smooth. It was an attempt by Bing to make a simpler/cheaper carb. The fact that they dumped the flat tops after only using them a short while tells you something.
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Re: Bings, any differences??
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2013, 03:43:25 AM »
The dome top carbs do have a guide for the piston so the flat tops are more reliant on the piston being a smooth fit but there is no significant
difference in operation as far as vacuum is concerned.

I don't think there is any doubt it was attempt to make a cheaper simpler carb and the fact that they were dropped after a short time leads everyone to question why including me but the fact is problems seem to be very rare.

By general consent the very worst Bings CV's seem to be the earliest dome tops fitted to R75's which are reported to be hard to tune to a smooth idle.

« Last Edit: April 19, 2013, 03:44:45 AM by bhodgson »
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Re: Bings, any differences??
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2013, 04:18:53 AM »
Barry,
I've been told the difficulties on the R75 can be cured by installing the above piston spring preventing the piston to giggle due to the depression at idle.
The change in design may had something to do with the aircraft certification Bing was getting/had on the domed carbs and the fact they had to maintain 2 lines of products. so maybe the savings were eaten up by the manufacturing plant... Just my 2 cents. Never told to a Bing design office nor factory.

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Re: Bings, any differences??
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2013, 08:46:26 AM »
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The change in design may had something to do with the aircraft certification

I was thinking the same thing. Could be that the flat tops didn't take to inverted flight if such a thing can be done with carbs ?  I guess not as carbs wouldn't work that well pulling G.

Any pilots among us who could shed light on the limitations of carbs in aviation use ?
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