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mrm

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S fairing ?
« on: June 13, 2012, 08:05:10 PM »
is there an 'S' type fairing (like the R90S/R100S) available for the R65?
probably not, but maybe someone has seen something !?!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33954075@N07/3390466896/in/photostream/

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Re: S fairing ?
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2012, 08:30:02 PM »
Hello there!!

I bought a replica by EMGO, there´s a bunch of vendors in ebay that sells them at prices near $100... it looks pretty solid, usually comes only in black, and is made of plastic of fiber glass (not so sure about it).

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=cafe+fairing&_sacat=0

I haven´t installed it, but there are two things you need to know...
The brackets that come with it are not designed for BMW, so you will need to customize them somehow... and you will need to drill a couple of holes to make the front "turn lights" fit...

Ah yes!! the headlight hole is for the 7" diameter unit, there was some discussion about the fact that R65s come with 7" or 6" headlights... at least in my bike, the size was correct...

I will probably have it installed this week, should not be hard to do... I will post some pics...
I´m planning to do a paint job on the whole bike, so I want to try the fairing first just to confirm I like the way it works regarding wind and noise...

Good luck my friend!!

« Last Edit: June 13, 2012, 08:32:45 PM by fbenach »

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Re: S fairing ?
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2012, 08:36:24 PM »
One of our members here, marcmax, put from what I remember, looked like a replica of something like an S fairing on his LS, looks great on the bike .

Send him a PM to post a picture of it here, he may have something in the photo gallery, I don't have an account there, so I don't know for sure .
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Re: S fairing ?
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2012, 01:43:21 AM »
The Wasp (Emgo) fairing is available at Dime City Cycles in Florida for $62.  Easy and enthusiastic people to deal with.  It has the 7" gap which fits the R65.  Made of plastic in gloss black

Before you splash out and buy one I have encountered a couple of problems.  The front brake master cyclinder (standard bars) interferes with the right side of the fairing forcing the fairing to sit about an inch higher than the headlight.  The lower surface of the fairing also sits on the indicator stems at this level.  

I intend to remove the R65 headlight bracket in one piece so I can reuse it if need be.  I don't wish to butcher it as a replacement one costs a few quid.  As I have an old RS instrument backet I will fit this and a universal headlight bracket currently on order from Motorworks in the UK.  I need about a five inch extension on the side brackets.  Dime City also has these for sale.  

As for the indicators I am still deciding what to do there but will probably go for an aftermarket bolt on set or modify an old rear indicator stem.  As the headlight will probably sit a little higher and a forward I may decide I don't like it after all.  As the front brake plumbing passes through the instrument bracket each removal will result in a brake bleed, so I would like to avoid any reptition here.  I will fabricate my own brackets for the fairing, probably in alluminium.  

I should be able to fit the R65 rubber instrument surround with not much room for anything else inside the fairing, as it is quite small.  I doubt I will be able to fit a clock/voltmeter combo in there.  

At the end of the day I want a bolt on/bolt off system without butchering the original style of the bike.  And mine is a black '84 R65 with red/white pinstripe.  A gorgeous bike if I ever get it back to original.  

I hope this helps someone if they consider going down the same path.  I just have a thing about the 'S' style fairing.  

Great forum and tons of ideas out there.  

Cheers, Burt.  
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Re: S fairing ?
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2012, 09:57:42 AM »
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Before you splash out and buy one I have encountered a couple of problems.  The front brake master cyclinder (standard bars) interferes with the right side of the fairing forcing the fairing to sit about an inch higher than the headlight.  The lower surface of the fairing also sits on the indicator stems at this level.  

... I will fit this and a universal headlight bracket ...  

As for the indicators I am still deciding what to do there but will probably go for an aftermarket bolt on set or modify an old rear indicator stem...  ...I will fabricate my own brackets for the fairing, probably in alluminium.  

At the end of the day I want a bolt on/bolt off system without butchering the original style of the bike. And mine is a black '84 R65 with red/white pinstripe...

I hope this helps someone if they consider going down the same path.  I just have a thing about the 'S' style fairing.  

Cheers, Burt.  

Old Bengt Phorqs and I did the Barber Motorsports & AHRMA event year before last. The swap meet takes two days to properly shop. That's where I found a brand new and complete with hardware EMGO fairing, the same as Burt discusses, for thirty bucks.

My '81 R65 has the Euro bars. A Trail Tech Vapor digital instrument replaced the entire OEM gauge pod. The headlight, turn sig and instrument cluster bracket went into storage; replaced with a pair of headlight brackets which clamp to the fork uppers. These are also EMGO products.

The fairing's "universal" mounting hardware was tossed as it was never going to work with the short, low bars. And besides that, it looked universal.



The R65 headlight fits just fine using the new headlight brackets. They, too, are EMGO products and allow for adjustments in the vertical and horizontal. Surprisingly, the small screen does a good job of knocking down much of the wind encountered while "sporting" down the highways.



Quarter front view but without the small, black streamlined LED turn signals installed on the fairing body. Was necessary to swap in a different turn signal flasher relay; one designed for use with LEDS and/or conventional filament bulbs as those are the rear sigs on the bike.



With the OEM light and gauge bracket removed, there is a tapped hole at the top of each upper triple clamp. It is a perfect place to anchor a simple steel bracket. The attach point at the fairing is in the position indicated on the fairing by a factory applied paint spot. Got lucky on this deal.
   The lower attach brackets ar enothing more than small, straight steel tabs that also attach to tapped holes originally securing the bottom of the headlight metal plate. Two holes drilled in the lower part of the fairing ties it all together.

A word about the brackets: I began with card stock to determine approximate shapes. The attach point at the fairing is a straight bend. However, the bend at the triple clamp attach point runs diagonally across the width of the brackets.
   Satisfied with the cardboard, I next made brackets from 0.75" wide hardware store, soft, architectural-grade aluminum. After confirming drilling locations and correct fairing position, I made the final brackets from 0.75" mild steel strip.



Same top bracket on both sides. It was necessary to trim a little bit of the fairing to clear the master cylinder. Not noticeable. The fairing to screen hardware shown did not meet my expectations so all was replaced with cad-plated, aircraft grade AN hardware. No extra screw threads to catch you and NyLok nuts snugged but not crushingly tight -which may stress the screen and fairing plastic. Thin rubber washers utilized throughout the install.

With the simple brackets and QD front turn signal wiring, I have timed the complete removal of the fairing assembly in less than six minutes. The two upper clamp bolts. two nut/bolt combos on the bottom and disconnect two wire leads.
 
« Last Edit: June 14, 2012, 10:00:57 AM by montmil »
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Re: S fairing ?
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2012, 11:19:57 AM »
I mounted a period correct Firth Designs Pirannah fairing that I picked up at a m/c flea market in Daytona a few years ago. It is fiberglass and was unused when I got it. Fabricating mounting brackets was not difficult but I did have an issue with the master cylinder clearance. Running straight drag bars I had to mount them slightly off center (approx 1/2" to the right) to even get the fairing mounted. I later switched to dropped clubman bars and clearance is no longer a problem but long rides are a pain in the back. Master cylinder clearance is seems to be the biggest issue with any of the "S" style fairings.
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Re: S fairing ?
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2012, 03:05:34 PM »
thank you all for the info and pics.
beautiful bikes you have there.
the firth designs is an eye catcher.
i've been looking at the airtech offerings today.

http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/bmw/bmwboxer.htm

any experience with these?

thanks again for all the advice.

michael

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Re: S fairing ?
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2012, 03:21:52 PM »
No experience with their fairings but I did buy one of the cafe seats from them. Nicely made, substantial fiberglass with an almost paint ready finish. A little sanding and primer and it was good to go.
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Re: S fairing ?
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2012, 08:16:43 PM »
Marcmax, hello!! thanks for the tip...

This will sound dumb, but, living on a spanish spoken country gives me some "language" barriers from time to time...

What do you mean by "master cylinder"... the silver tubes that go down on both sides of the front wheel?

Thanks!!!

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Re: S fairing ?
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2012, 08:24:00 PM »
Hi Fbenach. The master cylinder is the reservoir for brake fluid mounted at the brake lever on the handle bars. If you look closely at the picture I posted you will see that the fairing rests on the top cover of it. There is no way to open the top and add brake fluid without loosening the fairing mount on that side.
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fbenach

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Re: S fairing ?
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2012, 08:49:16 PM »
Ohhh!! I get it!! I dint notice that on the pic!!!
I will take note of that... Im supposed to mount my fairing this week!!

I was wondering another thing... what about changing the headlight inner lamp? Is there any space to loose the screw that tights the silver ring?

Thank you so much!
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Re: S fairing ?
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2012, 10:41:40 PM »
There is room to wiggle your hand in and change the headlight bulb with the fairing in place but it is not that easy. The fairing is mounted with 4 bolts and quick disconnects for the turn signals. It comes off in 5 minutes and is the way to go if you need to do anything up front.
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Re: S fairing ?
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2012, 11:00:29 AM »
Here's my Wudo fairing, purchased used, mounted for fit before eventual re-painting.  Scaled for an R65.  Available new from Germany.  Plenty of room for master cylinder.  I have 90S bars installed.  Mounts on turn signal stalks and two upper brackets, tilts down for access.  I used the PO holes for instruments, which you can see were drilled off center.


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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2012, 12:10:45 PM »
Nice looking, Steve. [smiley=thumbup.gif]

Your install technique is the same as the R90S fairing I'm currently wrestling with for Bengt Phorqs. About ready to shoot some primer after a wee bit more tweaking of the fairing to screen fit.
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2012, 12:33:07 PM »
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i've been looking at the airtech offerings today.

http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/bmw/bmwboxer.htm

any experience with these?

thanks again for all the advice.

michael  

Michael, that's the place where I bought my S fairing that Monte is working on.  FYI, the headlight opening will be too large for an R65.  Quality is generally pretty good but they do not sell the wind screen and there has been a certain amount of howling coming out of Planet Parkside in Denton about the screen/fairing mating surfaces.   [smiley=beehive.gif]  

But Monte was able to get a good fit but it took a considerable amount of effort on his part.  Not doubt this will cost me an extra six of Shiner.  I do have a fairing from an R65 at my house.  If you would like to come take a look at it some time I'd be glad to show you.  Send me a PM and we'll talk.  -Mike
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