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Author Topic: Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65  (Read 1743 times)

Sava66

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Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65
« on: May 22, 2012, 01:15:44 AM »
Hello all, I dropped my R65 the other day and the speedometer/odometer got bent but still worked for about three weeks afterwards. Yesterday I took the cover off and started it up. The odometer was stuck between 75999 and 76000 (KM). But the speedometer works perfectly. Has anyone had experience with this? What are some common ways to troubleshoot? Thanks.

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Re: Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2012, 07:45:41 AM »
Wait for Wirespokes to reply. He actually repairs these wayward instruments or can give you an idea for a DIY repair.
Monte Miller
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1981 BMW R65
1983 BMW R65
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1986 VW Cabriolet

Sava66

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Re: Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2012, 09:28:31 AM »
Great, I will. Thanks.

tvrla

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Re: Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2012, 12:46:49 PM »
First off, to answer another question you had about the right side cylinder base oil seep - no - dropping the bike on the other side didn't cause that to happen. Especially having dropped it on the other side would have affected the left side, not the right.

As for the speedo - it's possible the drop helped dislodge a certain pot metal gear that tends to come loose anyway. The gear commonly looses its grip on its shaft and spins freely and slides to the side causing all sorts of issues. I frankly consider the odometer issue to be the most common failure on these bikes - from 1974 to 1995.

Repairing these things isn't an easy job, and made more difficult on the R65 by the crimped-on bezel. Once inside, it's a gear between the odometer and trip meter, which requires the total dismantling of the gauge - needle, face, and everything else - to access.

Some guys have JB Welded the gear with success. I've also repaired guages that were JB Welded and didn't stick. If you do attempt that fix, be sure to get the surfaces very clean. If you're careful, you may be able to JBWeld it without dismantling the mechanism.

Good luck! And let us know how it works out.

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Re: Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2012, 10:16:54 PM »

 I had that speedo problem on my BMW car.  As wirespokes noted, there is a gear that is something of a press fit into position onto it's shaft.  With a bit of careful disassembly I was able to slide the gear aside, slightly "out of round" the shaft with a hammer blow, slide/tap the gear into proper position, and reassemble.  Works like a champ.

Cheers,

Carl

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Re: Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2012, 02:52:45 AM »
Since your bike is non-standard, why not consider an electronic speedo?  google trailtech.

They are not too expensive and will improve the look no end.  Plenty of people here have done it.

Mine is not a trailtech, but you get the idea.

Cheers

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Sava66

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Re: Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2012, 03:02:28 AM »
wirespokes, thanks for settling that argument between me and the previous owner. He hasn't talked to me since I suggested that the leak was on the bike before I purchased it. Kept talking to me about his "solid reputation" but I think his reputation as a doctor might not come into play with his reputation as a BMW R65 owner! I have to look at a breakdown of what's in the speedometer. The wire used to come loose on my norton all the time and I just had to tighten it down, but this sounds more complicated. If it was something beyond my ability, how much labor would be involved in paying someone to do it?

How do you uncrimp a bezel?

Steve, I like the electric tach on your bike, but I don't think it would look good on mine. Mine is like a caveman bike or something. I especially like the colored buttons. Which one shoots missiles?

Sava66

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Re: Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2012, 07:16:07 AM »
wirespokes, could you guide me to the potential trouble spots on the diagram?
« Last Edit: May 30, 2012, 08:34:52 AM by Sava66 »

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Re: Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2012, 07:51:08 AM »
If you have an '82 model year bike, that is the wrong diagram, the one you have posted, is for the monoshock bikes .
'81 R65
'82 R65 LS
'84 R65 LS
'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
'02 R1150R
Riding all year long since 1993 .
I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!

tvrla

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Re: Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2012, 09:06:49 AM »
Why do you say it's for the monoshocks, Bob? Those look like twin shock gauges to me.

I'm curious where that diagram came from since it appears the bezel is available. I want to get some! Those are one of the things I have a difficult time sourcing.

As for fixing the gauge - as a reference, I'm one of the cheapest guys around by a long shot and I charge $95 to service an R65 speedometer. I fix the odometer problem as part of the service. it's kind of a big job and not easily described, though there are write-ups on the web.

It seems to me the previous owner may have some issues.  ;)


Sava66

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Re: Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2012, 09:17:22 AM »
« Last Edit: May 30, 2012, 09:18:02 AM by Sava66 »

tvrla

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Re: Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2012, 12:00:10 AM »
Interesting that part number 10 (bezel) isn't listed in your parts list, but is on the MAX parts fiche.

As far as I know, the monoshock bikes have entirely different gauges - they're enclosed in a plastic pod, and the gauges aren't crimped into cans like the twin shocks.

The diagram you posted is for the earlier twin shock models.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2012, 12:02:21 AM by tvrla »

Sava66

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Re: Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2012, 06:01:30 AM »
Does anyone have a link to the right gage diagram for a 1982? I entered my VIN 6315719 into the realoem page and it came up as 09/81. Does that mean it's not a 1982?

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Re: Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2012, 07:53:30 AM »
The date of manufacture is not necessarily the model year of ther bike .

My '81 R65 was manufactured in 09/80 .

Seems like when our bikes were produced, September was the beginning manufacture for the next model years bikes .
'81 R65
'82 R65 LS
'84 R65 LS
'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
'02 R1150R
Riding all year long since 1993 .
I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!

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Re: Speedometer working, but not Odometer 1982R65
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2012, 09:59:39 AM »
Mines the same. It's 79 model registered in 79 but built in 78.

The factory started  manufacturing the new model year after the summer break.
Barry Cheshire, England 79 R45