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Author Topic: BMW spin on oil filter for R65  (Read 4345 times)

Offline wilcom

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BMW spin on oil filter for R65
« on: February 06, 2012, 07:34:24 AM »
Does anyone have one of these? Looks like a pretty good cure for the $2000 "O" ring. It was listed at 219.00 Euro's which sounds awfully cheap for all that machining...........is this "snake oil" or is it really $900 +shipping?   I want one !!!!
http://www.largiader.com/tech/oilpan/


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Re: BMW spin on oil filter for R65
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2012, 09:21:36 AM »
Good lord! Talk about an oil filter in harm's way...

Bob Roller daily rides his R65 through the streets of hell; excuse me, make that Phoenix, Arizona, and has done so for decades. I'd enjoy hearing his comments on the "item". [smiley=thumbdown.gif]
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Re: BMW spin on oil filter for R65
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2012, 09:47:19 AM »
It appears to be a "sump extender" as well as an oil -filter relocation device.   So, your ground clearance would be reduced, as well as placing the oil filter right up front where the front wheel will throw things at it all day.
Might be OK if you rode on tarmac roads all the time, but I wouldn't want it on a G/S, that's for sure!

The Motoren Israel guys do come up with some ingenious/good stuff, but personally, I don't favor this one.
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Re: BMW spin on oil filter for R65
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2012, 09:49:30 AM »
I'm just trying to figure out how it works .

It looks like the right hand round portion with an o-ring is meant to fit  into something on the engine block .

I've only had the oil pan off of my bike once and I don't remember seeing anything in there that would work with this part .

I'm thinking you may need to machine the engine block to make this work .

I think I'd pass on it, too many unanswered questions and quite pricey !!!!!
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Re: BMW spin on oil filter for R65
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2012, 10:04:08 AM »
You will have to remove the oil filter housing to install this.

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Re: BMW spin on oil filter for R65
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2012, 11:41:22 AM »
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You will have to remove the oil filter housing to install this.  

Yes I agree the filter tube will definitely have to be removed and then the device presumably seals in its place with guess what - an O ring.

One thing not mentioned is that you effectively get an oil cooler with the filter stuck out in the breeze.

As the very last thing I need is cooler oil I think I'd pass too.
Barry Cheshire, England 79 R45

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Re: BMW spin on oil filter for R65
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2012, 12:04:16 AM »
After seeing where the oil pan ends and the distance from there to the front of the timing cover, I think there's plenty of room.

As for using off road, I'm thinking it would be easy enough to create a shield to protect it. Maybe even a bash plate that extends far enough.

Another idea would be to mock up an insulated shield to encapsulate the filter. That would keep it warmer and protect it as well.

And just think of the increased crankcase volume, besides the bit of extra oil carried in the filter.

The filter change really isn't a big deal once you've got it all sorted out, but if this set-up can take cheaper filters, it could save ten to fifteen bucks every oil change. That's something to consider.

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Re: BMW spin on oil filter for R65
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2012, 08:22:23 AM »
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The filter change really isn't a big deal once you've got it all sorted out,

Of all the great things my R65 does for me( and other Beemers along the way)the two most frustrating things it does is require me to lube the splines and lay on my side on the floor dismantle my  fairing to remove the filter. Plus the fact that I have to worry about depth and do I use a paper gasket, was it the white "O" ring, was it a black "O" ring? Jeez lets go to the Bum's site and make sure........

So what happens is, I say screw it, and don't change the oil. Then I hate myself for being such a A-hole about it.  This conversion would allow me to change my oil at  will. The cost isn't bad if the site is correct about $300-$350( after conversion).  That's only 1/2 the money I'm going to spend to rebuild my tranny cus I didn't lube it's lil splines.

I'm hearing a lot of bashing and negativity, the ADV site hammered it pretty hard... but yet to find a review from anyone that has it one on their bike........I'll keep poking around

If I could just find that Zerk fitting for the splines, life would be good.
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Re: BMW spin on oil filter for R65
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2012, 09:26:40 AM »
I never saw it come up on Adventure Rider. I'll have to check out the thread. Also, I must have read that wrong - I thought it was $220 instead of $220 euros. That makes it more like $300 plus shipping - starts adding up fast. And that's a lot of money to me these days, especially when it's not that much of a problem changing the oem.

Joe, it's better to change the oil and leave the filter for every other oil change. Filters actually filter better the more used they are - you just don't want to let them go too long, otherwise they'll restrict the flow too much and collapse. But for every other oil change, it's fine. And just inspect the O-Ring coming out - if it's compressed - squashed about the right amount - you're good to go.

And I'm with you on the rediculous situation of how difficult we have it changing a dumb filter! I guess it goes to show the rest of the machine must be pretty spectacular if we put up with such nonsense. I'm of the view that nothing on this blasted planet is perfect so the solution is to find what comes closest to my purpose and either suffer the down-side or fix if possible.

Joe, are you talking about the transmission input splines? If it shifts fine, don't worry about them. And I agree there too - it's pretty silly these things can wear out and you don't hear of cars and trucks having this problem. But working as an auto mechanic I was tought to put a very thin layer of grease on the splines when doing a clutch. So that part isn't so different.

But back to the filter thing - I think it's a great idea! If it wasn't so damn expensive, I'd try it out.
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Re: BMW spin on oil filter for R65
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2012, 09:49:02 AM »
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But back to the filter thing - I think it's a great idea! If it wasn't so damn expensive, I'd try it out.
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Is it "snake oil" or a good thing? We are about to find out.........I just ordered one !

Subtotal  €193.77 EUR
Shipping and handling 48.00 EUR
Total  €241.77 EUR
Payment  €241.77 EUR
Payment sent to info@motoren-israel.de  
From amount $325.86 USD
To amount €241.77 EUR
Exchange rate: 1 U.S. Dollar = 0.741944 Euros

It was $325 US delivered with gaskets. That's a bunch of machining and engineering for little more than  the price of a new brake rotor.

Seems like a deal to me, we will see, I might have a box of "snake oil" on it's way to my door step..............
 


« Last Edit: February 07, 2012, 11:46:17 AM by wilcom »
Joe Wilkerson
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Menifee, CA

Present:
1984 BMW R65LS "Herr Head"
past:
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1979 R65
1980 R65
1982 R80RT
1974 R90/6
1972 R75
1964 R50/2
19xx R27
ZX-11

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Re: BMW spin on oil filter for R65
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2012, 10:04:12 AM »
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...the two most frustrating things it does is require me to lube the splines and lay on my side on the floor dismantle my fairing to remove the filter.

The spin on filter thing is not for me but I do know guys with fairings who curse at the prospect of a filter change. In fact I just met someone who's new to airheads, has a fairing and can't believe it's so involved.
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Re: BMW spin on oil filter for R65
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2012, 10:10:10 AM »
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...the two most frustrating things it does is require me to lube the splines and lay on my side on the floor dismantle my fairing to remove the filter.

The spin on filter thing is not for me but I do know guys with fairings who curse at the prospect of a filter change. In fact I just met someone who's new to airheads, has a fairing and can't believe it's so involved.

He's really gonna be torked if he ever steps up to a faired oil/hex head BMW. [smiley=tongue.gif]
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Re: BMW spin on oil filter for R65
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2012, 10:20:25 AM »
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...As for using off road, I'm thinking it would be easy enough to create a shield to protect it. Maybe even a bash plate that extends far enough...

That's exactly what a very few Suzuki 'Wee'Strom 650 riders -and a couple bike magazine reviews- keep wondering about. A fairly decent dual-purpose bike but that "punch me now" oil filter...

Suzuki's response is that their customer and market surveys reveal that more than 90% of the buyers of this particular model never leave a paved road. Gosh, are there really such things as ADV poseurs? ::)

Monte
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Re: BMW spin on oil filter for R65
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2012, 01:03:40 PM »
Looking at this a bit closer .

If the filter was at the front, wouldn't the oil filter canister area be on the opposite side of where the round part with the o-ring on it, would fit into it ?

Even if you rotated the part 180 degrees, it still wouldn't mate up to anything in the oil pan area .

It's not making much sense to me !!!!!
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Re: BMW spin on oil filter for R65
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2012, 02:19:32 PM »
We can all look forward to Joe's install. I imagine it'll fit. I'm kinda wondering about any "trimming" that may be needed on the Herr Head's fairing.

Please post up some snaps, Joe, when you git 'er done. [smiley=camera_sm.jpg]

Monte
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