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Author Topic: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?  (Read 6808 times)

Red_Hen

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Re: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?
« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2012, 09:15:24 AM »
Matthew Parkhouse did install a new Pawl clip - what is the likelihood of it breaking again?

Wondering if it broke because the tach cable boot was off and let water get into the tranny - when I got her and removed the drain plugs, the fluid starting rising out of the fill hole  - it was then a member or two suggested I put a heat lamp under the bike to thaw out the water mixed with gear oil.  After everything loosened up, that's when I saw the Pawil spring dangling from the drain hole.

Is it a a clip or spring and what is its function?

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Re: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2012, 09:27:25 AM »
The  spring puts tension on the shift mechanism, when it breaks, you are usually stuck in one gear .


http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=0364&mospid=51897&btnr=23_0268&hg=23&fg=31

It's reference # 6 in the diagram, it keeps tension on the shifter pawl, #8 in the diagram .
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Re: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2012, 11:21:30 AM »
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Is it a a clip or spring and what is its function?  

It's a spring and properly designed and manufactured springs shouldn't break so you would have to say there was a marginal design or manufacturing fault involved somewhere. That being the case you would expect BMW to remedy that with updated parts so it wouldn't happen again.  I read somewhere that the early 80's "shift Kit" fixed the problem by making the spring less likely to bind.

Mine doesn't have the shift kit but it's not something I worry about.

There was a thread on I think the airheads list where a guy claimed that in the event of the spring breaking you could change gear by poking a bit of bent wire through the level hole. Sounds unlikely and can't remember if it turned out to be a proven technique but if it was it ought to be the No 1 tool to carry on a long trip.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2012, 12:26:59 PM by bhodgson »
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Red_Hen

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Re: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?
« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2012, 11:59:05 AM »
Are  you the picture shows the pawl clip #6? on link you provide above?

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Re: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2012, 12:15:47 PM »
It's #7    part No 23311242 910
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tvrla

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Re: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2012, 12:22:51 PM »
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There was a thread on I think the airheads list where a guy claimed that in the event of the spring breaking you could change gear by poking a bit of bent wire through the level hole. Can't remember if it turned out to be a proven technique if it was it ought to be the No 1 tool to carry on a long trip.
I recall seeing that ages and ages ago. I may have to experiment with that while I've got these transmission parts on the bench.

Rubi76

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Re: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2012, 03:36:27 AM »
Back on the road......

it took a bit longer to put the bike back together than it took to strip but just in time for a Sunday morning ride down the coast.

Gearbox is quiet now with no funny noises but still no change in the way it shifts ::)

« Last Edit: February 05, 2012, 03:37:54 AM by Rubi76 »

Red_Hen

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Re: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2012, 08:07:32 AM »
Congratulations!

Would love to get to Capetown and join you for a ride in this lifetime!

Was there in 1973 and wow - what a beautiful place - I remember Table Mountain.

Back in the late 1800's my great grandfather had a horse drawn carriage taxi business.  


tvrla

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Re: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2012, 09:54:48 AM »
Fine looking bike!

What's the problem with shifting? I don't recall - are you new to BMWs?

Rubi76

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Re: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?
« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2012, 10:39:15 AM »
Hi Wirespokes,

I had a 1200GSA and a 1200S ( and a K100RS ) before the R65 , I just have to get used to the slower shifting required from the R65 gearbox. I am sure after a few hundred miles it will become second nature  ;)




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Re: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2012, 10:41:14 AM »
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Congratulations!

Would love to get to Capetown and join you for a ride in this lifetime!

Was there in 1973 and wow - what a beautiful place - I remember Table Mountain.

Back in the late 1800's my great grandfather had a horse drawn carriage taxi business.  


Ken , Im sure Cape Town has changed a lot since 1973 but Table mountain still looks the same.

I have lived here for 2 years now. Great place to explore on a bike



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Re: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2012, 11:03:13 AM »
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Hi Wirespokes,

I had a 1200GSA and a 1200S ( and a K100RS ) before the R65 , I just have to get used to the slower shifting required from the R65 gearbox. I am sure after a few hundred miles it will become second nature  ;)
I was wondering if that was the case. Once used to them, shifts will become much swifter. But it does require little tricks like - backing off the throttle a little (clutch still engaged) which removes pressure on the gears - kind of like speed shifting. These bikes require YOU being in tune with them, not the other way around. Someone once compared these BMWs to the gorgeous proper German Scientist Chick who does calculus in her head and demands things be done her way. She knows all the positions from the Kamasutra and once you figure out how to deal with her she'll give you immense pleasure.

It is a lot like that.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2012, 11:25:21 PM by tvrla »

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Re: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2012, 12:13:10 PM »
Wow, wireguy! I salute you on this Stupor Bowl Sunday [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Your segueing from shifting an old Boxer transmission to doing the deed with the German chick is literary genius.

And ol' D2 wonders what I've been smoking. [smiley=whistling.gif]

Glad you're back on the road, Rubi76.

« Last Edit: February 05, 2012, 12:15:24 PM by montmil »
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tvrla

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Re: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?
« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2012, 11:34:51 PM »
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Wow, wireguy! I salute you on this Stupor Bowl Sunday [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Your segueing from shifting an old Boxer transmission to doing the deed with the German chick is literary genius.

Glad you liked it!

The original was so good, I had to reproduce it here for you guys. It was in an Adventure rider thread comparing Airheads to Guzzis:

I always liked this little bit of prose. Originally written by Chopperman:

Well BMWs are like the Hot German Scientist chick. Glasses, prim, mannered, efficient. She can solve quadratic equations while kicking your ass with kung-fu moves. You have to approach her on her terms and then she will bring you ecstasy in the most efficient manner possible using techniques she learned from an ancient Kama Sutra she discovered on a sabbatical in India.

Guzzis on the other hand, are the art school wild child. long, wind-tossed hair and mischievous winks. She will redecorate your house into a turkish harem while you are away on a business trip and greet you with absinthe tainted kisses. You will go out for pizza with her and wind up somewhere in the Mojave, tequila drunk and shooting cactus with a stolen pistol.

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Re: Clunk - Is my Sunday ruined ?
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2012, 05:36:55 AM »
Now we are really out there [smiley=beatnik.gif]  Enjoy the rides D2