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Author Topic: Barn Find - What am I getting into?  (Read 4001 times)

lc4dakar

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Barn Find - What am I getting into?
« on: December 18, 2011, 08:04:49 PM »
I'm looking at a 1986 R65, one owner, under 30K miles, stock.  Was put away wet 12 or 13 years ago.  Looks good, but the engine won't move and the gas tank is full of jellied crud.  Seller says it was running when parked and the engine won't turn because the oil has separated and gunked up inside the case ????

Minimum effort will be lubing everything on the bike that can be lubed, rebuild carbs, clean and seal gas tank, flush the brakes and possible rebuilds.  That I can handle.

What about the engine?  Best case/worst case?
How much is it likely to cost?  The bike is a good price, but sometimes even free is too much.

I've never had a BMW, only Triumphs and Hondas.

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Barn Find - What am I getting into?
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2011, 08:21:37 PM »
An engine that won't move, can be quite serious (read) expensive .

Was the bike stored outside or inside ?

You can put much more money into a barn find than it will ever be worth .

An '86 R65 is worth about $1500-2300 at best in very good condition according to Kelley Blue Book, for what that's worth .

Unless the bike was only a few hundred dollars, I personally would walk away from it .
« Last Edit: December 18, 2011, 08:26:55 PM by Bob_Roller »
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Re: Barn Find - What am I getting into?
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2011, 10:13:51 PM »
Frankly, I think Kelly Blue Book is waaay off and doesn't really know what they're talking about. Prices vary from one locale to another. That said, I really don't know what those monolevers sell for - I rarely see them, so if you want one, you pretty much have to pay what the owner is willing to take. As I recall, a nice one here was advertised at around $3K. Maybe $3500.

A frozen engine isn't caused by old oil!  ::)

Gimme a break!!

Normally it's caused by condensation in a cylinder rusting the rings to the bore. Since everything is pretty well closed up on these bikes, the only realistic guess is that moisture got in there through an open exhaust valve. I'd think there's a pretty good chance it could be freed, cleaned up and run without much of a downside.

But you are taking a chance. Good thing is that R65 cylinders and heads tend to go pretty cheap on ebay.

Probably the most scary prospect in this scenario is the transmission. Oddly enough, the engine doesn't bother me, it's the transmission! A much more expensive proposition if it's got problems.

Some specifics would help - and we'd be interested in knowing the asking price. Oh, and welcome to the forum!

Where are you located?

lc4dakar

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Re: Barn Find - What am I getting into?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2011, 10:51:01 PM »
The bike was stored indoors.

He's asking $1,000, which is more than I would pay, regardless of the engine.  I've seen some decent running R65's for $2,000 to $2,500 around the Bay area.  I just think the monoshock looks cool, especially with a cafe seat and clip-ons.

I'm splitting my time this year between the San Francisco Bay area and New Mexico.

Yeah, the oil thing is reaching.  I was guessing rusted rings,  but the main bearings worry me too.

Hadn't thought about the tranny.

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Re: Barn Find - What am I getting into?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2011, 12:08:25 PM »
I love my '86 monoshock, but your find sounds like a lot of work / $$.  The ratio of work to dollars is of course up to you, but seized engine + full lube + new tires + your modifications pretty much means you should ask him to pay you to take it away, or at best a few hundred.

In 2004 or 2005 I bought mine for 3k (in Radford, VA), and it had 9k on the clock, with a full Pichler fairing and BMW bags.
'04 R1150 RT ~41000 miles
'86 R65 / '84 motor ~72000 miles. SS lines, Spiegler rotor, Progressive monoshock, Keihan silencers, a piece of Pichler fairing.
'76 CB400F ~26000 miles. non-runner!

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Re: Barn Find - What am I getting into?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2011, 03:32:30 PM »
I would only take it if it were FREE, unless you intend to buy it to part it out.

lc4dakar

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Re: Barn Find - What am I getting into?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2011, 05:20:06 PM »
Looks like the consensus is to walk (or run) away.  Too bad, it LOOKS good.
Too much trouble to part it out right now, plus he thinks he has gold and won't move much on the price.

Thanks all.

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Re: Barn Find - What am I getting into?
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2011, 05:24:09 PM »
Maybe a bit late for this, but this just came to mind, how did you determine the engine is locked/seized ?
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lc4dakar

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Re: Barn Find - What am I getting into?
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2011, 05:31:43 PM »
Won't roll with the bike in any gear (rolls in neutral).
Starter does one click and locks with jumper cables.

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Re: Barn Find - What am I getting into?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2011, 06:03:57 PM »
From my college of hard knocks knowledge, NEVER buy a motorcycle that will not run.  Doesn't have to run great but if it runs there may be some promise.  Otherwise, it's a money pit.
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Re: Barn Find - What am I getting into?
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2011, 09:11:47 PM »
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money pit
BIG + 1!

jg928s4

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Re: Barn Find - What am I getting into?
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2011, 02:03:02 AM »
Pull plugs, then see if it rolls in gear, just could be liquid in cylinders.  Pour diesel in the plug holes or Marvs mystery oil, let it soak, se if it turns over.  Get the VIN # and call DMV and confirm not a lot of back fees before purchase, or use those fees to negotiate down to the $500 range and have fun with the project.

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Re: Barn Find - What am I getting into?
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2011, 10:09:41 AM »
It's a project bike.. I don't know if I'd even give $500 for it...
Let him hang on to it a while longer...When he can't sell it then maybe the price will come down..

Probably just needs to be gently broken loose after a good oil soaking...  

It will be a money pit...

John

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Re: Barn Find - What am I getting into?
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2011, 02:25:22 PM »
Oh - and as a '86, it has Nikasil cylinders, so if the pistons are stuck, there could be irreparable damage to the cylinder walls.

lc4dakar

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Re: Barn Find - What am I getting into?
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2011, 11:00:56 PM »
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Oh - and as a '86, it has Nikasil cylinders, so if the pistons are stuck, there could be irreparable damage to the cylinder walls.

I know.  That means a minimum of new cylinders and rings.  

If I did that, I would have to go with the 850 upgrade kit, which would force me to add new carbs, new exhaust system, dual front brakes, a better rear shock, and a AAA towing service upgrade.

My brain hurts.